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April 30, 2012
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I have a pre/cz Guardian Duce with a 2 piece FLGR. After shooting it for a week, a couple hundred rounds of 230 grain FMJ Winchesters. The rod gets loose after about 2 or 3 clips. I have heard of the loctite, but honestly, I have a problem with that on a fine weapon like this. I have done quite a bit of research this week and there seems to be numerous opinions on the topic. I have ordered a new Wilson Combat one piece FLGR, bushing and spring. My existing looks a little worse for wear and I figured it was a good time to change out the whole shooting match.
Does anyone have an opinion on the number of pieces and or shortie and how long a guide rail spring should last?
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January 24, 2009
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I don't have enough experience with the 1911's yet to warrant an opinion, but I bet some of these other guys do. Here's a bump for your thread.
Dans Club
March 2, 2008
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My local gunsmith is a 1911 specialist, I'm going to see what he has to say. If I change the guide rod, I'll keep the factory original on hand, but I really want to get an understanding of what different guide rods are all about. On an otherwise GREAT 1911, I have the nagging feeling that there is a good reason for the two piece FLGR, and maybe I'm just not managing this gun right.
I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.
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February 28, 2009
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I am wondering too about the difference in GR's. My RZ-56 has a very short, stubby one; never seen one like that before. My wife's PM-9 has a FLGR.
I'd like to know what the advantages/disadvantages are.
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May 3, 2011
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Thats a great pistol you have. You have to tweak them sometimes. Rods, springs etc. The rod shouldn't come loose that soon. You know there are different strengths of Loctite. You might try a light one like this 242.
http://www.loctiteproducts.com/threadlockers.shtml
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April 30, 2012
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Steve,
I'd be very interested in what your gunsmith has to offer, would you please pass it on? The Duce handles like a dream, my sons came over and we shot the begeebies out of it this weekend. The EWK sight stayed tight so far.
Time to order some 45 dies for the dillon and start reloading now that I have a good start on brass.
Dans Club
March 2, 2008
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Here's my progress so far:
https://www.danwessonforum.com/forum/1911-pistols/1911-guide-rods/
I'm going to try LockTite to keep it from loosening while shooting, which functionally makes it a one piece. At some point in time I'll get a GI guide rod just for comparison.
Really, the ONLY thing I don't like about the 2 piece FLGR is that it works loose 50-100 rounds into a shooting session. If I can resolve that problem, I'm inclined to shoot it just the way it was built. I will also say that based on what I know now, I would be unlikely to seek out or "upgrade" to a 2 piece FLGR.
I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.
George Carlin
April 30, 2012
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Thank you for the information, it seems to follow what I had found in my research as well.
July 10, 2012
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From what I understand, the full length guide rod was made to prevent the recoil spring my binding and kinking during cycling, as it has a straight rod to guide it during compression.
I personally think it is a joke. There are probably millions of guns out there with the standard GI set-up with no issues, and I have honestly never heard of a case where a gun didnt run cause the recoil spring was binding / kinking. Not saying it cannot happen, just saying I've never heard of it.
Allot of people, and I mean ALLOT of people dislike the FLGR as it complicated dreak-down of the gun, with no added benifit. To allot of people (myself included), it was a fix to a problem that was never really there.
My .02 says to ditch the FLGR and get a regular GI set-up. I have that set-up in my carry gun, and I have no issues with it, and take-down is very simple.
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June 5, 2008
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Been shooting 1911's for almost 50 years, the FLGR is an upgrade to stabllize the spring for longer life and improved accuracy and to aid in disassembly. I have never shot good enough that FLGR would make a difference, but lots of competitave shooters swear by them. Never seen a recoil spring messed up from using the short GR, but then maybe I been lucky. As for take down I a FLGR gun much easier to take down, except the 2 piece GR used on some guns like the PM7 I had. Again I think it's all to do with the loose nut behind the gun.
Try finding a new semi auto pistol without a FLGR is like finding a chicken with teeth, except in 1911's were the really purest type, don't approve of drop safety, intergrated barrel feed ramps, linkless barrels, or external extractors. All of those make for a more reliable 1911, but most people don't like those improvements for all kinds of contrived or unproven reasons. I guess it's why so their are so many manufactures of the 1911.
Springfield 10mm Omega 6" ported, FLGR with linkless barrel, duel external extractors, and ramped barrel, the perfect easy take down and extreemly reliable 1911 that's was everything JB wanted to make the 1911, but never did.
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