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THINKING OF CHECKING OUT THE EARLY 1911 MARKET. SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EARLY GUNS (BOB SERVIA GUNS)
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Ole Dog
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January 21, 2025 - 7:09 pm
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I found a very early Pointman Major C in a gun shop about 10 years ago. 2 digit serial number. Probably made in 2001. Tight as a drum with an incredible trigger. The rear sight is a Millett and the front sight is an interchangable revolver sight. The slide is Barney but very lovely shade. I paid $800 for it. No box. I think there are so few of them there is no real collector market for them. Of course, to me it is very dear. It is the only DW 1911 I own. I have tried to not collect 1911s. My first ever firearm was a Ruger 1911. It is a loose goose but just as accurate as the DW. The trigger is about the same. It was one of Ruger first ever 1911s. I got a 20% discount because I was with my BIL because he was the 3 term Sheriff of Pasco County. I paid $560. I have 2 RIA 9mm /22TCMs that my wife loves because she can rack them. 19 rounds of 9mm.

I also have  two S&W Performance Center Commander bobtail 1911s I stole for $1000 each. I think high end 1911s are the most overpriced guns in the market. I have spent over $8000 for a revolver though. I just love revolvers. Even cheap ones. 

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I'm pretty much with you on the 1911's but I bought the Mitchell Mauser because of the story. It's just like a Titan! I think that's why I want the 50th anniversary gun one it's beautiful and the knowledge is a limited edition 307 made. Now I found this gun on GB The price is a bit high but what a beauty. Also a low two digit serial number and I love the early markings on these pointmans. If they put this up on an auction then I would go for it. I noticed they do all these different guns and if they do not sell at their very high polish price sometimes they auction them off! Price is $2950 Buy Now! Screenshot-2025-01-21-6.28.04-PM.pngImage Enlarger

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January 21, 2025 - 8:51 pm
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I am on the opposite side of that fence. I will spend a small fortune on a custom by a notable smith but not on a Revo.

And Stan that gun is not worth anything remotely close to $2k let alone $3K.

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That's a really pretty 1911.  I wonder if the polish is factory or aftermarket?

I'd think that gun should be worth around 1500.  

Anything worth doing is worth doing well.

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I've not seen anything polished like that from DW before but I have a custom slide on my PM2 that was done for a commander in a Civil War reenactment troop. His men pitched in and bought it for him.

In that thinking, the laser etch they did back on those earlier guns was shallow.

I think if it was done outside of DW they would have polished the billboards off of it and it would have needed to go back

to Norwich for a second laser job, not an easy do if the serial was polished off.

I think that is more of a ballpark, Scorpio, but in today's slow market??????

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January 21, 2025 - 9:34 pm
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605Dart, seems like prices are very high but movement is sluggish, except for anything I'm interested in bidding on. 😀

Seems like if I'm interested, it brings a mint and sells fast.

I'm glad I don't need too many for my collection.  Most of those are super scarse and will be pricey assuming one ever shows up.  I'm referring to revolvers.

1911s are different, they are still in production and there are a bunch of older guns out there. The sellers are still asking top dollar though.  

Some of the revolvers on GB are in terrible shape but with huge price tags.  People seem to think a clapped out 15-2 with rust and bluing wear are worth a thousand bucks. 😀

Anything worth doing is worth doing well.

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The sellers Platinum Arms do all kinds of guns. Also colored case hardened guns. I would do $1800 for it. most polishers charge at least $600 to do a gun so if you paid $1200 for the gun and had it done. Their regular prices are high. They have had the polished 715 for sale a while and have dropped the price on it. almost in the ok price range I think they had it at $2795 originally. They do good work but again are on the high side. I also noticed they have been selling CZ Dan Barrels jacking up price by 100%Screenshot-2025-01-21-8.02.13-PM.pngImage Enlarger

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The first rule of firearms collecting for investment is condition is everything. If you aim to shoot the crap out of a gun cosmetics  doesn't matter much. The second rule is the most value a gun will have is how it left the factory. Folks who customize a gun will not get the cost back and may actually decrease the value. If it is a tool, as in LE or shooting sports, by all means customize it to your desires but it is of intrinsic value ONLY TO YOU.

  AK ARMS does all that polishing and customizing either in house or by professionals but they can take a well used, cosmetically challenged gun and make it look fabulous but it is not factory. My dear departed S&W expert said there are craftsmen who can refinish a beat up gun to look like it came straight from the factory. In fact, many of those folks either worked for the factory (S&W) or they were contracted by the factory for refinish jobs. Ford's of Crystal River is one such outfit. But it still is a refinished gun and will not be worth what a NOS gun is worth. 

  I don't buy the overpriced guns from AK ARMS. I think they misrepresent the stuff they sell. They are not the only ones. If a seller claims a gun is Bright Factory Stainless and it is not marked on the box they are being dishonest. If they don't show pictures of the grip frame, butt frame, etc, it is decause there is something they don't want you to see. If the pictures are bad or few it is not because they are bad photographers. It is because they don't want you to see the condition. With that being said, some folks are just bad photographers or ignorant of what is important. For instance, if oil is left on a gun it can look like corrosion in photos, especially fingerprints. I have gotten tremendous deals because fingerprints have looked like someone sanded rust off.

   Very old collectable guns are actually more valuable in original condition than refinished. 

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Platinum Arms is insanely overpriced. They list everything as 'rare' just like Keystone Arms.

Remember, a fool and his money are soon parted. Don't buy into the hype.

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The only DW semi-auto I own is the DWX.  What a magnificent shooter!

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