Avatar
Please consider registering
Guest
Search
Forum Scope


Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Register Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_TopicIcon
High Standard Sentinels MK II and MK III by Dan Wesson
Avatar
John Stimson
Indianapolis
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 24
Member Since:
May 12, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
1
February 14, 2017 - 1:01 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

Here are some bits and pieces of information based on my recent research on the High Standard MK II and MK III Sentinels manufactured by Dan Wesson.

There were 23 "sample" guns in the serial number range H 0,001 and H 0,028 which included 14 catalog number 9402 and  9 catalog number 9408.  These guns shipped between April 9, 1973 and July 26, 1973.

For reference the catalog numbers High Standard used were:

9401  -  2.50" barrel, Fixed sight
9402  -  4.00" barrel, Fixed sight
9403  -  6.00" barrel ,Fixed sight
9407  -  2.50" barrel, Adjustable sight
9408  -  4.00" barrel, Adjustable sight
9409  -  6.00" barrel, Adjustable sight

In a piece of High Standard literature, they had additional catalog numbers for interchangeable barrels  and extra barrel assemblies.  To date I have found no indication that any of the other catalog numbers other than the six listed above were ever used.   It is not uncommon for sales brochures to have information that turns out to be sales jargon (BS).

The production serial numbers run from  H 10,001 through  H 31,911 and H35,029 through  H 35,049.  These were shipped between July 1973  and June 1975.  There were 21,932 guns shipped in that range.  There were 535 Open records and 459 returned to stock.  I have not tried to resolve the disposition of those returned to stock.  Four are listed as scrap. There were 73 doubled serial numbers.  Most of  the doubled serial number guns were marked "-1" after the serial number  

The approximate counts are:

9401  -  2,270  10.3%
9402  -  8,450  38.6%
9403  -  1,760  8.0%
9407  -  1,260  5.8%
9408  -  5,760  26.3%
9409  -  1,890  8.6%

The total number is approximately 21,400 with 12,490 fixed sight models and 8,900 adjustable sight models.   

Avatar
SCORPIO
PA

Supporter

Range Officer
Members


Moderators


DWF Supporters


Dans Club
Forum Posts: 4015
Member Since:
December 4, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
2
February 14, 2017 - 1:35 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

Wow, that is a lot of detail and represents a tremendous amount of work.  Thanks for posting this.

Anything worth doing is worth doing well.

My father

If a man designed it, and a man built it, then a man can fix it.

My grandfather

Avatar
Steve
Member

Dans Club
Forum Posts: 10330
Member Since:
March 2, 2008
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
3
February 14, 2017 - 9:05 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

John, thanks for the information.

For DWF Members who do not know John, there is no more knowledgeable or informed source of information on High Standard firearms, take a look HERE.

I wish we had as much DW info as John has for High Standards

I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.

George Carlin

Avatar
Charger Fan
Northern Utah

Supporter
Members


Moderators
Forum Posts: 11171
Member Since:
January 24, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
4
February 24, 2017 - 1:07 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

John, thank you so much for the very thorough and detailed information. Very impressive!

Those production numbers sure explain why the 4" barrels seem to pop up more often on the various auction sites.

Avatar
Ole Dog
ocala, fl

Supporter
Members


Dans Club
Forum Posts: 4064
Member Since:
March 25, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
5
February 26, 2017 - 7:33 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print

If I ever sell my 21/4" adjustable sight Mark iii I will have to put RARE, RARE, RARE in the heading and cite John's statistics. Thanks John for all your work. Maybe a word with President Trump would free up the DW records from the clutches of the BATF. Wasn't that one of his campaign promises? Nah! But it could have been if he knew about it!!!

Avatar
John Stimson
Indianapolis
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 24
Member Since:
May 12, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
6
May 27, 2017 - 8:32 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory

Ole Dog said
If I ever sell my 21/4" adjustable sight Mark iii I will have to put RARE, RARE, RARE in the heading and cite John's statistics. Thanks John for all your work. Maybe a word with President Trump would free up the DW records from the clutches of the BATF. Wasn't that one of his campaign promises? Nah! But it could have been if he knew about it!!!  

Everybody loves the word " RARE " but few can or will quantify it.  Absent a definition, I have created a table that is nearly binary but with the larger numbers rounded to easy to remember numbers.

Note that the counts are for production High Standards  and does not include prototypes or experimentals which are generally produced in very small numbers.

This chart continues to vary with continued research but there are 9 unique guns and an additional 6 with a production of only two.with respect to your 2.5" with adjustable sights with a production of 1,260, that rates only not-so-common on my chart and there are at lease 227 High Standard models with production less than that.

 

http://www.histandard.info/PDF2015/Rarity_rating_%208-10-2015.pdf

 

Fixed

Avatar
Steve
Member

Dans Club
Forum Posts: 10330
Member Since:
March 2, 2008
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
7
May 28, 2017 - 10:48 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print

John- The link provided goes to Server Not Found (my archived link to High Standard Information is fine, however)

I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.

George Carlin

Avatar
John Stimson
Indianapolis
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 24
Member Since:
May 12, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
8
June 4, 2017 - 2:00 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

To put the Dan Wesson made High Standard models relative rarity within the High Standard gun line-up, the scarcest is the 9407 MK III 2.50" currently ranks 249th from  the top.  The 9403 MK II 6.00" ranks 276th and the 9409  MK III 6.00"  ranks 282nd.

Avatar
Ole Dog
ocala, fl

Supporter
Members


Dans Club
Forum Posts: 4064
Member Since:
March 25, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
9
June 4, 2017 - 4:09 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

John, I was actually being facetious about it being rare. You are right. Uncommon maybe. Gunbroker sellers use rare very loosely. 

Forum Timezone: America/New_York
Most Users Ever Online: 658
Currently Online:
Guest(s) 205
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
Steve: 10330
SHOOTIST357: 4788
Dave_Ks: 4300
Ole Dog: 4064
Stinger: 3444
Supermagfan: 3250
zoommb: 3161
IHMSA80x80: 3014
Blacktop: 3004
brucertx: 2311
Newest Members:
Shawnrug
AnnelKix
MrBigfugh
MichaelHag
JoesphMop
adam ball
mercadosally
Bula dinor 000x dan-wesson-guru.com EA
smoke
Bula dinor 000x dan-wesson-guru.com Px
Forum Stats:
Groups: 11
Forums: 42
Topics: 16834
Posts: 148277

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 87
Members: 11648
Moderators: 4
Admins: 1
Administrators: Jody
Moderators: lbruce, Charger Fan, rwsem, SCORPIO