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January 22, 2008
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Support/SupportFAQView.aspx?FAQID=1118&NoCount=1
Shipment by Unlicensed Persons
Any shipper who does not have a Federal Firearms License (FFL) is considered to be an 'unlicensed person'. This section contains information on how unlicensed persons can ship firearms. If you have an FFL, please skip to the next section for shipping suggestions.
The most important thing to know is that you must only ship guns to a licensed dealer. If the buyer is not a licensed dealer, he will have to make arrangements to ship the item to a dealer in his state.
Before you ship a gun, the buyer must fax or mail you a copy of the dealer's signed FFL license. You can only ship the gun to the address on the license. You must inform the carrier that the package contains a firearm. Of course, the firearm cannot be shipped loaded; ammunition may not be shipped in the same box. You should take the copy of the signed FFL with you when you take the item to be shipped in case the shipper wishes to see it.
Notes on specific shippers:
US Mail: An unlicensed person can ship a rifle or shotgun by US Mail. Unlicensed persons cannot ship a handgun by US Mail. Postal regulations allow the Post Office to open your package for inspection. Ammunition cannot be shipped by US Mail. You can search the US Post Office Postal Explorer site for specific USPS regulations regarding firearms and ammunition.
FedEx: FedEx will only ship firearms via their Priority Overnight service. Ammunition must be shipped as dangerous goods.
FedEx Ground: FedEx Ground will transport and deliver firearms (excluding handguns) as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S. Ammunition must be shipped as dangerous goods.
UPS: UPS will accept handgun shipments by Next Day Air only. Rifles and shotguns can be shipped by UPS ground service. UPS will accept shipments of ammunition. Most other shippers will no longer accept firearm shipments. Airborne and Roadway have specifically prohibited firearm shipments.
November 14, 2009
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Nice job, now I have a question.
When is a firearm not a firearm? For example, if we remove the barrel and shroud and grip and just send the frame, cylinder, hammer, and trigger assembly to a gunsmith to do an action job on, is the handgun a handgun??? or is it just machine parts???
Does the gunsmith need to be an FFL to receive your gun (1. whole), (2. just assembled frame)????
Hope you get the Questions... Sometimes I write scatterbrained.
Happyness is a Hot DW and a pile of used brass!!! Rich
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May 2, 2009
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Any receiver needs to go thru an FFL... no matter how old it is or if it is stripped. When I was restoring old guns a long time ago, I would find decent deals on old stripped receivers, but I had to add shipping/ffl costs to them also.
SHOOT
January 22, 2008
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I know if it has a serial number it has to go to an FFL.
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January 24, 2009
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I often notice that some sellers say they can ship black powder guns directly to a buyer, so I guess the rules are a little more lax with those. I haven't tried one yet to see. Otherwise, as these guys said, anything with a serial number needs to go through an FFL.
November 14, 2009
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SHOOTIST357 said:
Any receiver needs to go thru an FFL… no matter how old it is or if it is stripped. When I was restoring old guns a long time ago, I would find decent deals on old stripped receivers, but I had to add shipping/ffl costs to them also.
SHOOT
Understanding this is Dan Wesson Forum and is primarily geared for Handguns I'm going to throw out this.
Here is an ad for a Pre-1898 Mauser that says adult signature only
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=647993
This notice is from http://heffronfirearmclassics.com/SERVICEINFORMATION.aspx
Shipping
When shipping a firearm pack it carefully! We repack in what you sent. Packing as COMPACT AS POSSIBLE WILL SAVE YOU MONEY. If you ship your firearm in a case, enclose it in a box of some kind. DO NOT SHIP AN EXPOSED CASE. Remember to ask your shipping company of choice about their rules regarding firearm shipments and be sure that you are following all applicable laws in your area. It is your responsibility to follow all Federal, State and Local laws concerning the shipping and handling of your firearm. Contact us for shipping details prior to shipping. You will need our >shipping address and a Sales Order Number and obviously, we would like a return address. By law, handguns must be shipped via next day delivery. Customer is responsible for the cost of shipping from them to our shop and from our shop back to them. When returning, we insure firearm for the amount you specify. See the contact us page to reach us with questions.
With that said, apparently there are some exceptions and people are either cheating or using the exceptions.
This is why I am confused. 
Happyness is a Hot DW and a pile of used brass!!! Rich
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May 2, 2009
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To avoid any and all confusion 
... just go the the BATF website http://www.atf.gov/firearms/industry/ and surf till you're really confused....
just do a search for shipping firearms....
SHOOT
January 22, 2008
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Here's more...
Muzzleloaders, by virtue of the fact that they do not fire fixed ammunition, are considered antique firearms under The Gun Control Act of 1968 and are not restricted in trade by any federal law or regulation. This applies to both antique and new made muzzleloaders. There may be state or local ordinances which restrict our ability to ship direct to the customer. Residents of HI, NJ, MA and MI are urged to check their state and local laws for any restrictions on ordering black powder firearms.
Guns can generally be shipped by anyone over 21 in the U.S.A. to a Federally Licensed Firearms dealer. You can use UPS, FED-EX or the US post office for long guns. Identify it as a long gun to the counter person and be sure no ammo is in the gun or package. Do not put anything on the package identifying it as a firearm. Do put your return address on the box and inside the box. Insure it with adult signature required. Be sure this is on the box. Guns [rifles or shotguns] sent by UPS can be shipped by ground and is the cheapest. You must ship complete working guns [not parts] from a UPS company owned center, and not a private shipping center. At times UPS shipping centers will not ship pistol "Parts" by ground. This is frustrating as there is no violation of their rules, just stupid employees that have no clue. Call Me! FED-EX requires all guns be disabled and shipped overnight air and will cost to much. I will not ship back by FED-EX unless you have an account number with them, and it is parts and not an assembled gun. They can pick up at my shop. The post office will ship long guns to a dealer and back to you. But not pistols. The only exception is Antique pistols that do not use modern cartridges. Modern copies of old black powder pistols can be shipped by the US post office. KNOW THIS!!! US postal definition of "antique" is different from the one used by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms!!!!! Antique means a gun that does not use cartridges,[ or ammo is not available ]to the post office. ATF uses pre 1898 as the date for an antique with some exceptions for valuable relics and curios. ONLY Dealers can ship modern pistols by the post office to another dealer. Dealers must fill out postal form #1508 to be legal. Gun parts like a slide or barrel for a modern pistol can be shipped by the US post office as long as the frame is not included, by anyone. Pistols can be shipped by anyone over 21 years of age by UPS to me as I am a licensed dealer. [Except from some anti gun states]. To save money you can disassemble a pistol so it can not be shot. Then it becomes "gun parts" and can be shipped by UPS ground for a lower price. This is much cheaper than overnight air. I can ship it back this way and you save money. Always insure with adult signature required!! UPS will provide the label. Just ask for their label! If you should encounter someone at any shipping company that refuses to ship, please let me know and they will be reported. If a postal employee refuses to ship a gun to me, then call me and my postal manager will call them and read the postal code to them.
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May 2, 2009
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"To save money you can disassemble a pistol so it can not be shot. Then it becomes "gun parts" and can be shipped by UPS ground for a lower price."
FALSE STATEMENT as far as I know.... That is why you do not see many handgun frames or rifle receivers for sale anymore--too expensive to ship.
SHOOT
September 9, 2012
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Jody said
I know if it has a serial number it has to go to an FFL.
Not necessarily true. My Mosin Nagant rifles can have S/N's stamped on many of the gun parts. Since I don't know when ATF has required serial numbers on the receivers. The receivers are the only prohibitive thing I know where all the odd shipping rules come into play.
Dans Club
March 2, 2008
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You are correct that the receiver is THE serial numbered item that requires an FFL on a modern firearm. Other parts on a gun can also be serial numbered, and they are not controlled. For example:
A Browning Buckmark is serial numbered on the "frame", the part that includes the grip and all the fire control parts
A Ruger MK I/II/III is serial numbered on the "barrel", the grip and all the fire control parts are not contained in the controlled part of the gun.
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February 20, 2008
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I may have missed this but, I will add it to the mix. An individual not in possession of an FFL may ship a handgun/frame to a FFL. Some FFLs will not accept them because thy do not know the laws so clarify it ahead of time.
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