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March 15, 2011
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I have to admit that selling the 741 is one of the more annoying experiences I've had so far.
Initially, I believe that I had insisted on a no-trade transaction. I thought I might have generated a genuine interested from someone who wanted to purchase the 741. This someone then insisted on having additional photos to show different aspects of the firearm not originally shown. No problem. I obliged the someone. Later, this someone started querying me about why I was selling the 741. After gently reminding this person that I was selling it because it was excess to my needs, this person springs on the "well, I know you don't want to trade but I have this Smith and Wesson Model 57…" I kindly refused the someone's guerrilla warfare tactic/swap offer and shooed that pesky being away.
This next scenario is just as annoying if not more. Another contacted me and called me up regarding selling of the DW 741 and stating how much of a desired collectible it would be for this person's collection. As the conversation goes on, this person goes on to state how they were glad they never got rid of certain DW's in their collection and how their DW increased in value. They also asked if I could "hold" onto the revolver, because it was like keeping it within the DW family. Of course, I obliged. However, after a week or so, I queried this individual about the gun and if there still remains any interest. "Oh sure! But I had a family emergency but I really really really really really really really really really really really really (really x 100) want that revolver. What will it take to hold it? I will start giving you the money by March 1st, because I think it's best to keep it in 'the family.' " Again? Well, if you insist, but o.k. I'll do that if you want it that bad. That was around mid February. Later, around March 3 or so, I didn't see any snail mail, e-mail or PM regarding the 741. I sent a PM to this person to determine if they were still interested. "Yes, but my car broke down." Finally, at the end of my ropes, I had to tell the prospective collector/independent-sentient being that maybe one should get a hold of one's self, pause, and stop and realize that wanting something is not the same thing as being able to afford something and that there will be likely other 741's on the market at some future date in that persons future, and it's best to drop a deal when one can't afford to pay for it and not burden a willing seller to unreasonably extend a kind assist when it is not really deserved by the buyer.
Am I going crazy here or what?
I think the DWF is a great place to discuss things but when it comes to trying to sell an item, I'm getting the hint that certain folks are "off kilter" when it comes to reality and trying to buy a collector DW. What ever happened to 1) common sense and 2) common decency? Whenever someone gets that 
syndrome, is there an obligatory negative aspect of this part of the collecting that a seller must suffer? I would think that if it is posted that there are no trades to be considered, why would anyone try to sneak a "trade" upon the seller, doubly asking if the seller would waste time taking pictures on a gun the buyer will not likely buy? I believe that is disrespectfully and selfish!
As to our latter practitioner, again, why does someone continually put a seller on continual "fence sitting watch duty?" Instead of this person seriously taking stock of their financial situation, they would rather burden the seller with holding onto something for them knowing full well they are not in a financial position to buy the firearm. I have to admit that this is highly annoying and also selfish. 
Sorry for the rant, but maybe an occasional introspection is needed, not by a seller, but also to all prospective buyers as well. DW41F.
November 23, 2011
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Sorry for the trouble selling you Dan 41. There are a few of us that still believe that a persons word is their bound. Our reparation is the most valuable position we own. They say third time is charm! R S
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March 2, 2008
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I have had two experiences with investigating guns that were "available" for sale or trade, only to discover that:
1) In one case, the seller actually meant to offer for trade one of two guns, but it seemed like it was a 2 for 1 trade. The 2 for 1 was honestly a little too good to be real, but neither of the offered guns was anywhere near an even up 1 for 1 trade.
2) In the other, the seller kind of impulsively offered something, re-thought things, changed his mind.
In both cases,"No Harm, No Foul". DWF is not an Auction site, no fee or charge for listing here, it is for convenience of Members.
I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.
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December 4, 2011
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I've picked up a few guns from other forum members with good results each time. I think that good communication between both parties is key. Also, its only natural to want to see pics of an item you are buying at a distance as not everyone's idea of "mint" is the same. I hope you find a buyer for your 741, they are nice guns and not all that common.
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April 20, 2010
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Your frustration in those cases is quite understandable, dw41. But I hope good guys like you don't shy away from offering for sale here on the forum. I did buy one Dan from a member here, it went very well and I'd hope to again sometime. I myself am a conservative buyer and I don't window shop unless I have cash in hand. But I would expect any potential buyer to request extra pics unless your ad contained a bunch initially.
It could be that someone could get caught up in the DW euphoria here on DWF, there are constantly guys posting pics of awesome pistols. But that is no excuse for stringing on a seller when you realize you cant afford it.
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May 2, 2009
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Welcome to the seller world 
.... Every once in a while it happens...
I've bought /sold several DW's right here on the forum--never had a problem, always 100% solid sales...
I have had one disgruntled GB buyer (buyers remorse), but he admitted he was in over his head with his high bidding, and he completed the sale.
If people only knew how many questions/concerns/whatevers I answer on e-mails....
SHOOT
February 11, 2010
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your experience went south 
Here's a bump for your sale :
If you want a "no-trade transaction" you might change the part of the
listing that says "Trades considered to include like condition Smith
and Wesson Model 14's or older Hand Ejector 44's in good
condition."
I know your specific on what your saying but it just opens the door
for interpretation by the buyer that you are open to trades
........just say'in.
Kinda like bubble wrapping everything when your 1 yr old gets his legs !
-Blacktop
December 27, 2010
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Thats the way some people are and selling anything to people
that really don't have the money that happens.GB and the forum are good most of the time.Hope you do better next time.
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March 27, 2009
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Hang in there I have bought and sold a couple things on here all went very well! Maybe one thing to do is ask others in a pm if they have had dealings with Mr x. It may help in the i wanna look all day though i don't have dime folks! 
March 15, 2011
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Hello BT:
Thanks for the advise but this quote is taking my first posting out of context. My original post, which was done around December 2011, stated that I wouldn't consider trades. Later on, with no bites and newer interests, I amended the ad to include the aforementioned Model 14, etc.
I just wanted to make this clear so I don't appear schizophrenic or suffer from any sort of mental instability
I quite remember what I had posted and wanted to make that clear.
DW41F.
Blacktop said:
If you want a "no-trade transaction" you might change the part of the
listing that says "Trades considered to include like condition Smith
and Wesson Model 14's or older Hand Ejector 44's in good
condition."
March 15, 2011
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BTW, thanks to all. I have had some flurry of traffic as of yesterday and today on my PMs regarding the 741, however, it was nothing but a spat of "tire kickers" merely wanted to see how far I would be willing to deal before they backed off and wanted to "think about it." I'm considering removing the post by next week and rescinding the sale altogether. When it comes to selling the 741, I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that 1) people love the "thrill of the hunt" but are not willing to commit and 2) folks love to blab on about how much they want something but are in fact, reality deprived and don't see that they are stringing you along in the desire to have something they can't afford. FWIW. DW41F.
February 11, 2010
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Sorry DW41F , I did not realize you had changed the post, I was going
off what I saw most recently and thought...well you get it.
Have you considered selling local on :
or
-Blacktop
March 15, 2011
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Hi BT:
Thanks for the support. I appreciate that. There are indeed fine members here on the group. DW41F
April 25, 2008
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I agree with you...what is wrong with some folks anyway? 
I've been selling a lot of my guns lately, something I have never done in my life until last year. Some I have sold to local friends, the rest on Specialty Pistols or Gunbroker. I've had a few experiences like yours, and it does get very annoying at times.
When I put one up on Gunbroker, I have figured out what I want for it and will place the starting bid at my minimum. I don't do reserve auctions, or a Buy-It-Now thing. If I get one bid, the gun is sold for what I want for it. It seems almost every time I get emails with questions, which I don't mind usually, such as how many rounds through the barrel, how old is it, am I the original owner. That is fine, but I get a lot of others where it's obvious the seller doesn't know anything about the gun to start with, such as, "Who made the barrel?", when it is a factory gun.
I have gotten the trade offers, even though the ad says "Not Interested in Any Trades". Some of my Contender barrels have been sold, but the only pictures I had of the barrel were on the complete gun. Even with, in bold capitol letters in the ad, "FRAME AND SCOPE NOT INCLUDED", I still get a bunch that ask, "Is the frame included?" DUH...read the ad! I have had several where the buyer, after winning the auction, then states he doesn't want it cause he thought it was a complete gun. Well, that requires going through the Deadbeat Bidder process at Gunbroker, so I don't have to pay their fees and can re-list the gun, something that takes about 3 weeks to clear.
The most annoying ones are the lowballers, who always email with counter offers..."Will you take $50 or $100 less for the gun?" Another wants ME to pay the shipping! Even after I explained to him what it costs me for FFL transfer fees and USPS Priority mail plus insurance, he STILL wants me to split the shipping costs! Sheesh! One potential bidder stated the "market value" of my gun was way less than I was asking, and he didn't need those stupid silhouette sights, so he would have to replace them anyway, so here's my lowball offer.
I swear, if I put a custom XP-100 up for sale for $1.00, someone would ask "Would you take 50 cents for it?"
OK, MY rant is over 
. Unfortunately, there isn't much else to choose from other than Gunbroker, so we have to put up with this. Mostly I have had good results, it's just the idiots that stand out like a sore thumb.
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May 2, 2009
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(I've got 50 cents.. )
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April 25, 2008
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Notice I said "IF". Do I look that dumb?
Don't answer that...
The Savantist
March 15, 2011
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LOL! Thanks for the humor, IH. I feel bettah all ready. DW41F.
January 8, 2011
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I feel your pain trying to sell any item, especially guns. I listed a gun on ARMSLIST. One guy emailed me and listed 3 places he could buy the gun cheaper. I told him, "find your best price and buy it."
I listed one new spare tire mounted and balanced on a new rim for $100 with a picture of the tire leaning up against a tree. This guy calls and was very disappointed when he found out I wasn't selling a set of 4 tires for $100. It seems you just have to put up with stupid if you try to sell most anything.
Unfortunately I'm going to have a gun safe for sale soon. My current safe is totally overloaded. I'm down to stacking guns on the floor of the safe.
Hossman 
February 11, 2010
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Hey Hoss just send those overloads up here, I know I'll have to
weather the burden, but for you I'll make an exception.
-Blacktop
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