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March 19, 2016
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I went to the shooting range the last two days to stay on top of my game with my shooting. I noticed this before while shooting but the last two times out it really hit home. Does the average shooter never site their guns in anymore? I watched many people continually pound paper targets but never adjust their sights. The guy next to me said I always shoot to the left. I looked at his gun it had a fully adjustable rear sight. I said why don't you adjust your sight? His response, I don't know. It looked like the majority we're satisfied if they hit the paper. I heard one guy tell another that nobody shoots groups with a handgun. I told my wife, from the quality shooting I see at the range, if someone ever starts to shoot at you, stand still. If you run you might run into one of their bullets. I only think it is fun to shoot if I can hit what I am shooting at. I had a guy tell me last year he has been shooting at the range for two years and has never hit his target. Is anyone else seeing what I would call a lack of effort? They all like to throw tons of ammo at the targets but do not appear to go that last step to make it worth the effort.
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Dans Club
December 4, 2011
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I've seen that as well. Most have a valid excuse in that many guns don't have adjustable sights, but the ones that do have them I cannot understand why they don't zero the gun.
I don't shoot for super tight groups with carry guns as much as I do for target guns. Owing to the type of shooting a carry gun may get used for, my feeling is a carry gun should pattern well and have decent groups placed where you are aiming. Not necessarily all in the bulls eye but in a pattern I can cover with my open hand. That is tight enough to hit center mass and vitals. I also don't usually spend a lot of time taking precision aim when shooting a carry gun, I try to approximate conditions of use one could encounter in a self defense situation, draw, aim and fire in a quick succession. I want my rounds controlled and on target but not necessarily in a quarter sized group.
My target guns on the other hand I try to have as tight a group as I am capable of and take much more time aiming and adjusting sights.
I see many folks shoot at the public range and they are basically exercising the gun, load shoot, change mags, shoot some more and if they hit something great. I hope I never have to depend on one of those folks having my back in a life or death situation.
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March 2, 2008
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I think there is some amount of "posturing" with newer shooters. They got a gun/guns because they could, and wanted to be able drop in conversation about "the other day at the Range...). As laws and regulations tighten, there may actually be more marginally qualified gun owners than ever before, who simply want to get an increasingly scarce resource, simply to have a thing that many others won't (or can't) have.
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July 8, 2012
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Steve said
... there may actually be more marginally qualified gun owners than ever before...
I'm by no means a great shot. The other day my son and I were at the local range, shooting our carry pieces (Kel-Tec PF9's and a Kel-Tec P3AT). We were shooting as rapidly as we could while still being in control at close range (7 yards) - as you would want to practice for these type of weapons. In the lane next to us was a 20-ish young man shooting a Glock with a greatly extended magazine, also at 7 yards. He was shooting slower than we were, and producing a group of maybe 40 inches (!), while we were shooting groups of 4 - 6 inches. When he looked over at our targets, he stepped back and looked at us and I swear you could see the whites of his eyes all around! I then loaded my Dan 15-2 with the 8 inch barrel, moved the target back to maybe 15 yards, and shot a group a bit more than 2 inches, not counting a single flyer. When I pulled back the target and showed it to him, all he said was was "s**t". I guess he should have been holding his Glock sideways, but it's pretty easy to impress somebody that inept at shooting.
I guess this explains the newspaper reports in Philadelphia of shoot outs where dozens of shots were fired, but nobody was reported to have been hit.
Huffy
February 21, 2011
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My sights were adjusted for zero a while back. I'd only change them now if I swapped barrels or changed the load.
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February 16, 2016
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huffy49 said
In the lane next to us was a 20-ish young man shooting a Glock with a greatly extended magazine,
Sounds like a G17 with a 33-rounder ... I've shot that configuration and when fully loaded, both recoil and muzzle flip are greatly reduced.
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