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February 11, 2010
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This is not about hunting ammo( but animal hide has also been brought up
as a factor) but more of the carry and defence ammo. Alot has been written
latley about how HP ammo performs when shot through clothing and tip
of bullet gets clogged up and preforms like a FMJ bullet. Alot of tester's
are using the FBI standard of 4 layers of denum but some have showed
that as little as 1 or 2 layers is enough to plug the HP and corrupt it's
performance. So far only two ammo's that I can find that pass
these kinds of test consistently are the Federal Hydra Shok and
Hornady Critical Defense. The Hornady has a rubber insert in the tip
to avoid this clogging problem, the hydra shok just seems to perform
no matter what it goes through.
-Blacktop
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March 2, 2008
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Good point. A caliber becoming much more popular for CCW lately is .380, and many people carry with a hollowpoint in .380, when the better choice is possibly FMJ. The .380 is very unlikely to over penetrate, and equally unlikely to expand effectively, unless it is a fairly light bullet loaded to max velocity, and designed to penetrate clothing and then expand. The CorBon DPX is a pretty good example of this:
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November 14, 2009
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I haven't seen these reports, but my basic thought process is (and I know you didn't want to hear it) but equate clothing to a deer hide with hair. I have shot a lot of deer with hornday hollow points 44 cal with 100 grains of black powder. I have recovered many of the bullets. My opinion for what it's worth is hollow points won't expand as much if they only hit tissue. They expand a lot when they hit bone.
Now about hornady. My experience with Hornady is their copper jacket is too thin, not sure about their Critical Defense. But I have found the copper jacket under the hide or in the tissue somewhere empty of all lead. So much for weight retension.
If you are concerned about self defense, get a semi auto with a large magazine or two. 
Happyness is a Hot DW and a pile of used brass!!! Rich
November 14, 2009
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I am not a believer in 10% Ballistic Gelatin Tests
Ballistic Gelatin is good if you are shooting at jelly fish. I don't understand the corelation between flesh and bone to gelatin. 
Happyness is a Hot DW and a pile of used brass!!! Rich
May 17, 2010
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Ok I know it doesn't really fit... I target shoot .38 and I defense with HP .357 ... that and well.. I suspect my DW gives me a better chance of hitting . hehehehehe
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November 17, 2008
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Here is a few thoughts on this subject, all non scientific but experienced. I have read stuff about bullet expansion and stopping power as we all have and I believe it all to be guess work as thereare way to many variables to say what will happen when the bullet strikes the unknown target (IE. flesh, clothing , bone who knows) I have treated many patients who have been shot, (To many) I have seen guys walk off from several solid hits from large caliber bullets and I have seen many fatalities from things such as a 25 auto. I guess my point to this somewhat morbid post is I believe the type of bullet or caliber is not as near as important as what you do with it. I am sure we all have heard it is better to hit with a 22 than to miss with a 44. Choosing a good bullet has to be some advantage but the most important thing is to practice, practice, practice and pray you never have to find out.
LB
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February 20, 2008
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I have concerns about hard ball and over penetration.
hollow points for the most part, except for my J Frame Chief's special, jacketed .38 spls.
If you live in NJ, you don't have a choice, no hollow points allowed.
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September 26, 2010
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If the goal is a wider wound channel, why not just start with a wider bullet? My carry weapon is a 10mm. Strong enough to pass through clothing or hide and a large enough diameter to make a big channel without need to expand.
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January 24, 2009
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I'm not much of a hunter, so I don't have any direct experience with hollowpoints on animals & thankfully, zero experience on humans thus far. About the only time I've used hollowpoints has been at the range, where it doesn't much matter what type of projectile is used...they all punch holes.
Although I do prefer FMJ at the range, simply because they penetrate steel targets better, aiding in the fun factor.
I live in a house, not an apartment...so I'm not quite as concerned about a home defense round ending up in my neighbor's bedroom. Although I guess if I inadvertantly sent a round through a window, it could have the same result as living in an apartment with thin walls.
My pillow guns are usually 38's or 357's & are loaded with either my FMJ reloads, or JHP factory loads. My DW PMA-B is also within reach and is loaded with 6 rounds of factory 230gr FMJ.
I figure a decent double-tap placed in center mass from either of these guns should be enough to ruin some intruder's evening.
February 11, 2010
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My main concern is when a hollow point becomes clogged it performs like a FMJ,
that is way to much penetration with family member's sleeping at both ends
of the house.
Mox : I totally agree, I have had XTP and Barnes bullets do the same thing.
I now use the Areo tip Power belts in my Knight rifle.
-Blacktop
November 14, 2009
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photohause said:
I have concerns about hard ball and over penetration.
hollow points for the most part, except for my J Frame Chief's special, jacketed .38 spls.
If you live in NJ, you don't have a choice, no hollow points allowed.
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No hollow points allowed for what? What about hunting rounds???
Happyness is a Hot DW and a pile of used brass!!! Rich
February 20, 2008
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In NJ where firearms are concerned, the legislature has made all guns and
ammunition categorically illegal, but then the statute goes on to grant
permissions selectively back to you piecemeal, through a process called
exemptions.
Nice state, eh? Hollow Points - You may buy them, bring them home, use for HD, use at the range sanctioned by the State, but, you may NOT carry for CCW. From what I have read, you may hunt with them.
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