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January 24, 2009
Wow, look at that first post. That's cool. I guess with the site being slow, the other members who popsted in that thread got distracted & left. Sort of a bummer.
And…
…I just noticed something in that thread. Wayne had (has?) a Model 15 with a non fluted cylinder? I haven't seen that one before, WOW! We need more info on this one!
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April 6, 2009
Cut my teeth on a dept. of defence U.S. Navy screw machine made to make barrels for W.W.2. Working for Cummins Engines being taught to be a tool maker by a old german machinist brought to U.S. by Cummins to build tooling for ceramic engine blocks. In germany he made tooling for guns. He took me under his wing and showed me how to machine howitzer barrels using screw machines and Browne & Sharpe boring machines and CNC turant lathes, but only on our lunch hour cuz the rest time we were working dilagently makeing tools for Cummins in case anybody was wondering! Or if my current employer is reading this and just figured out what all that stuff that is laying around the tool room that doesnt have anythig to do with the job Im on really is ! I did it on my lunch hour really. If you can draw it I can cut tooling for it . Just in case you need that sort of thing done in your new gun factory, I can be bought or I can come over and do it on my lunch hour. High Standards-Master tool maker - Lake City. ( I want a job in your new fun factory too Jody )
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January 24, 2009
I can do the polishing and the bluing, As for the roll stamping that was the old way when I worked there we used a Lazer engraver that is the only way to do it, I have been kicking around making shrouds since there is a real need for them, and maybe getting a shop to make some other parts. what do you think.
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January 24, 2009
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March 2, 2008
The one piece of machinery absolutely required, of course, is the printing press to print the money needed to start up production. I'm thinking that the guy that "owns" the money printing press at this time would not be sympathetic to our efforts (sounds like a political commentary to me!)
I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.
George Carlin
January 4, 2009
..and STEVE.. you don't need a printing press.. just a modern day color copier.. although the secret service just busted a few local, ( Brevard North Carolina), Brevard College student football players for doing that with 20$ bills...
I'm guessing THEY , ( the Secret Service), would take a dim view of that as well .. but I'm just guessing... HEY.. what the heck....try it.. and keep us posted how it's working for you !!! LOL
Wayne
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January 24, 2009
landpanther1 said:
WHERE, EXACTLY IS “THERE” ???
AND WHAT DID YOU DO “THERE”.. EXACTLY ??
( AHEM )...
https://www.danwessonforum.com/?page_id=3/new-members-introduction/hello-from-hot-bluer
January 4, 2009
Charger Fan said:
landpanther1 said:
WHERE, EXACTLY IS “THERE” ???
AND WHAT DID YOU DO “THERE”.. EXACTLY ??
duh!!!! hahahahaha... WOW.. I am impressed.. how cool is that !! and as far as what do we think... we think... YES !!! can you or would you make barrels as well ??? I think that would be a really nice little cottage business to get into. Anything we can do to help ? Where in VA. are you anyway.. let's talk Mark...
Wayne
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January 4, 2009
Hey .. did Y'all hear the news out of Montana.. well here is the place maybe to put the plant.. no Fed. B/S to contend with.. hope this starts a trend out toward the eastern US.. as well. It's about time someone started challenging the Feds for our States Rights.
Wayne
Montana Governor Signs New Gun Law
Executive Summary The USA state of Montana has signed into power a
revolutionary gun law. I mean REVOLUTIONARY. The State of Montana has
defied the federal government and their gun laws. This will prompt a
showdown between the federal government and the State of Montana. The
federal government fears citizens owning guns. They try to curtail what
types of guns they can own. The gun control laws all have one common goal
confiscation of privately owned firearms.
Montana has gone beyond drawing a line in the sand. They have challenged
the Federal Government. The fed now either takes them on and risks them
saying the federal agents have no right to violate their state gun laws
and arrest the federal agents that try to enforce the federal firearms
acts. This will be a world-class event to watch. Montana could go to
voting for secession from the union, which is really throwing the gauntlet
in Obama's face. If the federal government does nothing they lose face.
Gotta love it.
Important Points If guns and ammunition are manufactured inside the State
of Montana for sale and use inside that state then the federal firearms
laws have no applicability since the federal government only has the power
to control commerce across state lines. Montana has the law on their side.
Since when did the USA start following their own laws especially the
constitution of the USA, the very document that empowers the USA.
Silencers made in Montana and sol in Montana would be fully legal and not
registered. As a note silencers were first used before the 007 movies as a
device to enable one to hunt without disturbing neighbors and scaring
game. They were also useful as devices to control noise when practicing so
as to not disturb the neighbors.
Silencers work best with a bolt-action rifle. There is a long barrel and
the chamber is closed tight so as to direct all the gases though the
silencer at the tip of the barrel. Semi-auto pistols and revolvers do not
really muffle the sound very well except on the silver screen. The
revolvers bleed gas out with the sound all over the place. The semi-auto
pistols bleed the gases out when the slide recoils back.
Silencers are maybe nice for snipers picking off enemy soldiers even
though they reduce velocity but not very practical for hit men shooting
pistols in crowded places. Silencers were useful tools for gun enthusiasts
and hunters.
There would be no firearm registration, serial numbers, criminal records
check, waiting periods or paperwork required. So in a short period of time
there would be millions and millions of unregistered untraceable guns in
Montana. Way to go Montana !
Discussion Let us see what Obama does. If he hits Montana hard they will
probably vote to secede from the USA. The governor of Texas has already
been refusing Federal money because he does not want to agree to the
conditions that go with it and he has been saying secession is a right
they have as sort of a threat. Things are no longer the same with the USA.
Do not be deceived by Obama acting as if all is the same, it is not.
Text of the New Law
HOUSE BILL NO. 246
INTRODUCED BY J. BONIEK, BENNETT, BUTCHER, CURTISS, RANDALL, WARBURTON
AN ACT EXEMPTING FROM FEDERAL REGULATION UNDER THE COMMERCE CLAUSE OF THE
CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES A FIREARM, A FIREARM ACCESSORY, OR
AMMUNITION MANUFACTURED AND RETAINED IN MONTANA; AND PROVIDING AN
APPLICABILITY DATE.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MONTANA:
Section 1. Short title. [Sections 1 through 6] may be cited as the
"Montana Firearms Freedom Act".
Section 2. Legislative declarations of authority. The legislature declares
that the authority for [sections 1 through 6] is the following:
(1) The 10th amendment to the United States constitution guarantees to the
states and their people all powers not granted to the federal government
elsewhere in the constitution and reserves to the state and people of
Montana certain powers as they were understood at the time that Montana
was admitted to statehood in 1889. The guaranty of those powers is a
matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United
States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed
upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
(2) The ninth amendment to the United States constitution guarantees to
the people rights not granted in the constitution and reserves to the
people of Montana certain rights, as they were understood at the time that
Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889. The guaranty of those rights is
a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the
United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was
agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
(3) The regulation of intrastate commerce is vested in the states under
the 9th and 10th amendments to the United States constitution,
particularly if not expressly preempted by federal law. Congress has not
expressly preempted state regulation of intrastate commerce pertaining to
the manufacture on an intrastate basis of firearms, firearms accessories,
and ammunition.
(4) The second amendment to the United States constitution reserves to the
people the right to keep and bear arms as that right was understood at the
time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889, and the guaranty of
the right is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana
and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United
States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in
1889.
(5) Article II, section 12, of the Montana constitution clearly secures to
Montana citizens, and prohibits government interference with, the right of
individual Montana citizens to keep and bear arms. This constitutional
protection is unchanged from the 1889 Montana constitution, which was
approved by congress and the people of Montana, and the right exists, as
it was understood at the time that the compact with the United States was
agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
Section 3. Definitions. As used in [sections 1 through 6], the following
definitions apply:
(1) "Borders of Montana" means the boundaries of Montana described in
Article I, section 1, of the 1889 Montana constitution.
(2) "Firearms accessories" means items that are used in conjunction with
or mounted upon a firearm but are not essential to the basic function of a
firearm, including but not limited to telescopic or laser sights,
magazines, flash or sound suppressors, folding or aftermarket stocks and
grips, speedloaders, ammunition carriers, and lights for target
illumination.
(3) "Generic and insignificant parts" includes but is not limited to
springs, screws, nuts, and pins.
(4) "Manufactured" means that a firearm, a firearm accessory, or
ammunition has been created from basic materials for functional
usefulness, including but not limited to forging, casting, machining, or
other processes for working materials.
Section 4. Prohibitions. A personal firearm, a firearm accessory, or
ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in Montana and
that remains within the borders of Montana is not subject to federal law
or federal regulation, including registration, under the authority of
congress to regulate interstate commerce. It is declared by the
legislature that those items have not traveled in interstate commerce.
This section applies to a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that
is manufactured in Montana from basic materials and that can be
manufactured without the inclusion of any significant parts imported from
another state. Generic and insignificant parts that have other
manufacturing or consumer product applications are not firearms, firearms
accessories, or ammunition, and their importation into Montana and
incorporation into a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition
manufactured in Montana does not subject the firearm, firearm
accessory, or ammunition to federal regulation. It is declared by the
legislature that basic materials, such as unmachined steel and unshaped
wood, are not firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition and are not
subject to congressional authority to regulate firearms, firearms
accessories, and ammunition under interstate commerce as if they were
actually firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition. The authority of
congress to regulate interstate commerce in basic materials does not
include authority to regulate firearms, firearms accessories, and
ammunition made in Montana from those materials. Firearms accessories
that are imported into Montana from another state and that are subject to
federal regulation as being in interstate commerce do not subject a
firearm to federal regulation under interstate commerce because they are
attached to or used in conjunction with a firearm in Montana.
Section 5. Exceptions. [Section 4] does not apply to:
(1) A firearm that cannot be carried and used by one person;
(2) A firearm that has a bore diameter greater than 1 1/2 inches and that
uses smokeless powder, not black powder, as a propellant;
(3) ammunition with a projectile that explodes using an explosion of
chemical energy after the projectile leaves the firearm; or
(4) a firearm that discharges two or more projectiles with one activation
of the trigger or other firing device.
Section 6. Marketing of firearms. A firearm manufactured or sold in
Montana under [sections 1 through 6] must have the words "Made in Montana"
clearly stamped on a central metallic part, such as the receiver or frame.
Section 7. Codification instruction. [Sections 1 through 6] are intended
to be codified as an integral part of Title 30, and the provisions of
Title 30 apply to [sections 1 through 6].
Section 8. Applicability. [This act] applies to firearms, firearms
accessories, and ammunition that are manufactured, as defined in [section
3], and retained in Montana after October 1, 2009.
January 22, 2008
“…I just noticed something in that thread. Wayne had (has?) a Model 15 with a non fluted cylinder? I haven't seen that one before, WOW! We need more info on this one!”
ChargerFan,
This 15-2 sat in a local gun shop for about 6 months before I rescued it. I was suprised that it didn't sell more quickly. However the gun shop (www.collectorsfirearms.com) is quite large and had the DW mixed in with a bunch of used S&W revolvers. I don't know anything about the background of this one. It is a quite unusual find and I plan on keeping it.
Some years ago, there were people selling unfluted model 15 cylinders on eBay. I bid on a couple of them but they always sold for more than I was willing to pay.
- Wayne
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January 24, 2009
Landpanther, I heard that news the other day, REALLY COOL!! Utah is following right behind, by the sound of things...which is just fine by me.
WDelack, that's a really cool find! If not for any other reason than as a nice conversation piece. Since there were cylinders being sold separately, I wonder if they were something done by a custom smith or if they are actual DW pieces? Things that make you go hmmm... 😀
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