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Welcome to the forum!
You've got a highly desirable barrel on that one, it should be a great shooter.
Approximately how expensive are guns and supplies in your country?
Can you tell us what the laws and restrictions on gun and handgun ownership are like in you're country?
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Thank you for the warm welcome!
Approximately how expensive are guns and supplies in your country?
A few examples of prices currently in gun shops (€ to $ exchange rate 0.969):
Handguns: Glock 19 Gen5 MOS - 945 € (974 $); SigSauer P365 - 995€; Colt Python, current production model - on sale now for 1850 €, regular price 2660 €.
Ammunition 50 round box: 9x19 - 18€; .357 mag - 28€; 10mm auto - 30€
Biggest issue is availability. Selection is poor. Anything outside the EU is hard to get and is expensive. That means firearms, as well as accessories, like holsters and sights. For example, we got a batch of Sig P356's in our local gun shop this summer. The shop waited three years for the order to arrive (it happens that SigSauer is a US company these days). S&W is not available at all other than a few used ones. Used firearms business is nonexistent since the process for getting a firearms licence is complicated. Ammunition selection is also not great. You basically get S&B, Fiocchi and Magtech. And not all the calibers as well.
Can you tell us what the laws and restrictions on gun and handgun ownership are like in you're country?
EU firearms directive sets the baseline regulation for firearms. EU member states then have to harmonize the directive into they're domestic law but the regulation can't be more lenient than what's set forth in the directive. As such the base level is that firearms shall be allowed only to persons who have good cause and who are not likely to be a danger to themselves or others, to public order or to public safety. A monitoring system must be in place to ensure this.
From there every countries regulation differs is details from one to another. The basic principle however is that in order to own a firearm one must pass medical and psychological checks, some sort of test, a background check and have some kind of good cause.
In Estonia the test consist of a written exam on the firearms law and a shooting test in which you must shoot 3 shots is 3 seconds from 15 meters at an IPSC target and hit at least 2. This must be repeated every 5 years (again exceptions do exist). For one firearm you do not need a safe but more than that must be kept in a safe that is bolted to the structure of the house. Firearms must be kept unloaded. For over eight you basically need an armory (a separate room or building with vault door, alarm etc.). Therefore eight is usually the max no. of firearms one can practically own. Every firearm must be allocated a specific purpose a) hunting, b) sports, c) collecting or d) personal protection. I feel that since Estonia is one of the few EU countries that allows regular citizens to own firearms for personal protection and carry them, we are actually in a pretty good situation. Of course there are some caveats like usually you wont get a permit for more than two personal protection firearms. So if you want more, better take up hunting or competition (for either one you again must be in a specific club/organization and have the appropriate licence etc.). What is also different from US is that for personal protection hollow-point ammo is not allowed and pistols cannot be carried with a bullet in the chamber. In my opinion that gives a distinct advantage to a revolver here, at least in personal protection use.
Edit: One more thing. When you get your firearms licence, it does not mean that you can automatically go and buy a weapon. For that you must apply for a weapon purchase permit. So the firearms licence is just prerequisite. Any single weapon purchase must be approved by the Police.
When I bought my Dan a few weeks ago it was the 8th "slot" on my licence, so for any practical measure, my last firearm unless I sell something. I was in between the Wesson and the aforementioned Python, since it is on sale now. Wesson was used and because of it, so much cheaper - 600€. I'm still not convinced though that I made the right choice. Nothing to do now. Just have to live with it.

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