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December 4, 2011
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In reading a bit about what is being proposed, I find a few things distressing. Perhaps the most concerning to me is the attempt to classify more people who sell guns as 'dealers', but they don't quantify what would legally constitute a dealer. I wonder how these changes would affect collectors who are selling off some of their guns? How will it affect us? Most people who have been collecting for any length of time buy and sell guns in order to improve their collections, weed out duplicates or lesser pieces and to fund new acquisitions. Even if you go FFL to FFL it sounds like the ATF will want to call you a 'dealer' and require licensing and all the costs that go with it. This doesn't bode well for the firearms collector IMO.
This brings up another question I've had for some time. If a person runs into financial difficulty and has to sell off a large number of guns quickly to raise funds for say a medical issue or child's education, or a spouse passes away and leaves a collection to the other spouse who doesn't want the guns or must sell for financial reasons, what is the procedure? Under the proposed regs, that could subject them to being classified as a dealer.
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March 2, 2008
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None of it bodes well for any of us. The one current trend that really scares the crap out of them is that the firearms market is growing. More Americans want guns, and are buying them in ever increasing numbers. America IS speaking, Obama/Clinton/Schumer/Bloomberg ..don't want to hear it.
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December 4, 2012
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I might be wrong here so please feel free to correct. I was always under the impression that it took a little more than just a back ground type check to hold an FFL? Meaning an FFL requires a more intense back ground check. If this is the case than wouldn't doing this now mean that some who used to meet the back ground criteria would not necessarily meet the FFL criteria therefore preventing one to obtain a firearm? Please help me to understand this.
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Dans Club
February 22, 2009
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Download atf_p_5310.2_web.pdfDownload atf_p_5310.2_web.pdf
Everything about ATF licensing is ambiguous... read for yourself. Particular attention should be paid to what is meant by "(engaged) in the business of selling firearms" as the POTUS put it today.
How many guns can you sell in xx period of time?- up for interpretation
How long do I have to own a gun before I sell it?- up for interpretation
There are more grey areas and BTW, no criminal gives a rats ass about the Executive Order.... so, it won't make a bit of difference in criminal statistics.
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July 11, 2009
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No executive action can change 18 USC 921 which defines a dealer as
as applied to a dealer in firearms, as defined in section 921(a)(11)(A), a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms
Long story short, you can be charged for a single sale. It has happened before. That's the way it's been for a long time. The only change people may see is tighter enforcement. Although. We shouldn't have to deal with any of this, the only real effect of this EA is to make people who have no clue about the gun industry and firearms ownership "feel like the government is doing something"
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Dans Club
March 2, 2008
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I did not watch any of this, I did not need to in order to know what happened:
1) Trot out the usual crowd of anti's as sideboys
2) Tears, stare blankly/silently into space a few times while speaking
3) Say "uh" every tenth syllable, and say "gonna" and "wanna" constantly (the Great Orator)
4) Scare the shit out of people to the point that they think a gun is coming to get them
5) Do nothing about mental illness or tightening up our borders, not a word about gang violence or the rampant illegal drug industry that uses guns to protect and expand it's reach
I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.
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June 25, 2013
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December 4, 2012
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@ Maxwell.
February 20, 2008
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Gents, please do the following. Email you elected official and express you views. SECONDLY, write letters to these folks and mail them off. I know for a face that they do not get as much USPS mail these days as in the past. In view of this, it makes a very strong impression when they can see them, hold them, and show them off.
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January 22, 2008
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Keep this in mind, Obama's proposals are Executive Actions, not Executive Orders. Executive Actions don't carry near as much legal power and can be easily overturned by Congress and/or the court system.
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March 25, 2013
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Arlen, sending your funny to all my buddies. Lmao.
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June 25, 2013
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In some ways these Executive Actions or Memoranda are the same as Orders. They bad part is they give directions to the Faceless unelected Bureaucracy...
Endeavor to persevere,
Press on regardless.
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