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January 24, 2009
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Umm, yeah, I'm not buying into Barry's "favorable gun legislation" farce, especially when Fast-n-Furious has come to light. Barry & company have simply tried to back-door the anti gun legislation (like every other major legislation I.E. Obamacare), only this time they got caught with their hands in the cookie jar. . . and it isn't going away (surprisingly).
Bush's executive privilege decisions were mostly centered around the Plame issues. Not that I condone his behavior in this matter & I would still like to know what really happened.
Ike''s executive privilege decisions were during a time of (world) war, and although I haven't researched each & every one, I sincerely doubt any of those decisions were in fact harmful to our country as a whole. Eisenhower loved this country, and it's no surprise that some mainstream media propagandist tries to use his name to downplay Barry's influence in this case…wouldn't expect anything less. This is purely an assumed status quo on the part of our mainstream media "repeaters". (Mark Levin's term, and rightfully so)
I don't buy into the current media (or internet)'s biased propaganda one little bit. I will always discount the current BS I hear until I've come to my own satisfactory conclusion. More often than not, I never reach to that grand conclusion, so my default opinion remains guardedly skeptical.
I.E., it's all hogwash until proven otherwise!
February 11, 2010
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"In 2000, Barak Obama cosponsored a bill that would have limited the purchase of handguns to one per month"
"Obama voted against allowing people to violate local fire arms bans even in the case of self protection."
"According to the 1998 Illinois State Legislative National Political Awareness Test of July 2, 1998, Obama also supports the banning of all semi-automatic weapon sales and transfers."
"July of 2005, Obama voted "No" on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers"
Do I need to waste any more space ?
-Blacktop
December 26, 2010
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aprayinbear said:
Bush claimed executive privilege 6 times......Eisenhower 44 times! Obama just once til date. And just for the record.... this presidential term has been the most favorable toward gun legislation in 40 years. For those of you who weren't old enough to remember, that was back when the NRA was not a propaganda machine, but a true non-profit educational organization that taught the fun and safety of the shooting sports.
Just a thought
Executive privilege is limited to matters of national security, diplomacy or the military and must involve matters with which the White House is involved. Now Holder had been claiming that the White House wasn't involved in Fast and Furious and I can't see how any of this is related to national security, diplomacy or the military. If Issa stays after this, at some point, BO will have to justify his claim. At best, this appears to be a stalling tactic to protect Holder. At worst, it looks like BO has something to hide.
And I saw a tape of BO's statement 'to be patient, they are working on gun control under the radar'. It was truly frightening. I firmly believe BO wants total control and would become a dictator for life if he could get away with it.
February 11, 2010
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aprayinbear said:
And just for the record…. this presidential term has been the most favorable toward gun legislation in 40 years.
I just still can't get this statement out of my head 
I guess I hate
to think fellow gun owners may actually think this way.
Here is some more of "Barry's" record.
Courtesy of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action
-Opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.
- Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions. (Aug 2008)
- Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
- Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
- Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
- Keep guns out of inner cities–but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
- Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
- Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
- Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
-Blacktop
September 1, 2010
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aprayinbear said:
Don't forget!
Bush claimed executive privilege 6 times......Eisenhower 44 times! Obama just once til date. And just for the record.... this presidential term has been the most favorable toward gun legislation in 40 years. For those of you who weren't old enough to remember, that was back when the NRA was not a propaganda machine, but a true non-profit educational organization that taught the fun and safety of the shooting sports.
Just a thought
Thank you aprayinbear , for having the courage to state the FACTS and not conjecture. All gun owners don't think alike and only watch THE FOX news station.
TWO
Dans Club
March 2, 2008
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aprayinbear said:
And just for the record.... this presidential term has been the most favorable toward gun legislation in 40 years.
I am absolutely not trying to start a flame war, I need some help understanding in what way this presidential term has been favorable. If there have been positive initiatives from this president in favor of gun ownership and Second Amendment Rights, I don't what they are, and I'd like to learn more.
I will say that I have not seen the onslaught of anti RTKBA activity that I expected, which I attribute to his preoccupation with economic bungling and Obamacare. I would expect a second term 
to be very different.
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Dans Club
February 9, 2009
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Steve CT said:
aprayinbear said:
And just for the record.... this presidential term has been the most favorable toward gun legislation in 40 years.
I am absolutely not trying to start a flame war, I need some help understanding in what way this presidential term has been favorable. If there have been positive initiatives from this president in favor of gun ownership and Second Amendment Rights, I don't what they are, and I'd like to learn more.
I will say that I have not seen the onslaught of anti RTKBA activity that I expected, which I attribute to his preoccupation with economic bungling and Obamacare. I would expect a second term
I would have to agree with Steve, I cannot see that this administration has been favorable, on purpose, towards our second ammendment rights. I also agree that it is because of preoccupation in positioning for the second term where things will spiral South Very Fast. I am always eager to be educated however.
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December 26, 2010
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To me it is not how many times any president claimed executive privilege but whether BO is justified in claiming it on F&F documents. Executive privilege isn't a freebie that can be used whenever they want. I'd like to know how BO can claim executive privilege on F&F documents if the White House was never involved with F&F. And I would like to know how F&F involved national security, diplomacy or the military if it was an unauthorized program run by the Arizona division of the ATF. What Holder has claimed about F&F seems to preclude BO being able to legitimately claim executive privilege.
So what's the real truth? Is BO uninvolved and just trying to protect Holder? Or is BO involved in some program that wound up arming criminal gangs and the death of an American citizen? If this was a matter of national security or diplomacy, I'd like to know how.
I know it's hard for BO supporters to hear questions raised about their guy. My intent isn't to pick on BO or Holder for little things. But this doesn't look like a little thing.
A US citizen is dead, our existing gun laws were clearly broken by the ATF and the only guy being "punished" is the ATF agent who blew the whistle on F&F. If it were my son who was dead because of this I'd be parading up and down the street in front of Justice with a sign wanting to know who authorized what that resulted in my son's death.
As a citizen, I want to know what really happened. Somebody in the Justice needs some consequence, i.e., fired, prosecuted, demoted, something, for actions that appear to be illegal and resulted in the death of a US citizen. And we're entitled to an explanation as to why forcing illegal gun sales to go through is justified if nobody is going to be punished.
Dans Club
March 2, 2008
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One interpretation of the Executive Privilege exclusion that has been presented is that since the AG/President/Cabinet have discussed the implications of F&F in closed session after the fact, that Executive Privilege applies. I'm not a Constitutional Scholar (I have lot's of company because neither is the Supreme Court, apparently), but this is one argument that I have heard advanced.
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December 26, 2010
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Discussed after the fact can lead to Executive Privilege?! Of something that was supposedly done by a branch without Washington knowledge? But doesn't it still have to apply to national security, diplomacy or the military?
It doesn't make sense to me. To me it looks like there is something really nasty being covered up or BO is protecting Holder.
Steve, I'm not a constitutional scholar either. Thanks for sharing that analysis. Pretty sure I don't buy it though. But then again, I'm also shocked by Roberts 'It's a tax but not a tax' logic. Huh?
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January 24, 2009
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So now the congressional vote has been cast. A few congress persons walked out on the vote with a childish pout on their faces, in protest of the vote, Holder has been found in contempt...now what? I don't hear Holder clinking his cup on the bars of his jail cell.
Since the vote on June 28th, I haven't heard much of anything other than finger pointing & the frequent release of hot air, among the Dem's in congress. And no word on the movement of the F&F case, either.
January 22, 2008
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I don't expect to see anything happen to him. There will be a lot of "harrumph"ing and hand ringing but no action to take place because these pretenders who claim to uphold the constitution and work for the "common man" take care of each other regardless what side of the isle they are on or what ideology they claim to believe in. They are equally corrupt on each side and I see no true conservative on the horizon with the spine necessary or the willingness to "MAKE" him/herself heard. They'll just ride it out until after the election. Sounds kinda' dark doesn't it?
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