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Quantitative easing...or.. how to fool most of the people all of the time.
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I've been talking about this for a couple of years now and frankly, my friends thought I'd lost it. I get very frightened when the NY Times and I are on the same page....

 

What the Nation Got for $800 Billion

 

 

 

SINCE last September, when the Federal Reserve announced its third round of quantitative easing, known as QE3, the central bank has spent $800 billion buying bonds. That’s a stupendous sum, more than the budget for the Department of Defense and more than twice what the federal government spends on welfare programs, including food and nutrition assistance, unemployment benefits and disability payments.

 

Total spent so far on QE3:

$800 billion

Change in 10-year Treasury rate:

UP 0.88

percentage point

 

This raises an intriguing question: What did the United States get for all that money?

Like previous rounds of quantitative easing, the goals for QE3 included reducing long-term rates, in that way bolstering lending, housing and employment. Those are big tasks, especially with Congress cutting spending. And there have been improvements, both during earlier rounds and during QE3. Since September, housing and employment have strengthened somewhat, and long-term rates fell for a while. Now, though, rates are actually higher than when QE3 began.

“Data are quite mixed on whether we’ve seen an expansion of lending,” said Catherine L. Mann, Rosenberg professor of global finance at Brandeis. Lending has increased for cars and commercial property, she says, but not for small business. New mortgage origination for housing remains weak. Meanwhile, the Fed’s outsize presence in the markets for Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities may have changed those markets in ways no one can predict.

QE3 was intended to make riskier assets like stocks more appealing. And stocks, which are predominantly owned by the wealthy, have risen in price. As a Bank of England study has shown, quantitative easing disproportionately benefits those who are already well off.

The Fed had other options. It could have put cash directly into the hands of consumers who needed it. Under the Federal Reserve Act, it can print and lend any amount of money for any length of time to any person or entity, as long as it is satisfied that it is likely to be repaid. With $800 billion, for example, the Fed could have given every homeowner in the country a $10,000 loan at a near-zero rate of interest. Think of what that might have done for the economy.

Source: Federal Reserve

To the paranoid people who check behind shower curtains for murderers:

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Don't get me started.

 

Been studying the situation 2009. It ain't pretty on Main Street.

 

Don't believe the Wall Street/Washington hype.

 

This article has a slant that I don't totally disagree with. Alas, fixing to much debt with more debt? Ten grand in the hands of the populace will end up in the pockets of the well to do anyway, most of it at least. Plus who's to say if it's gonna be paid back?

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King Solomon once wrote- the naive believe everything, but the prudent man considers his steps...  I've been considering for a long time now, and haven't believed anything big government has done for the last 5 years.

Technically, the glass is always full; half liquid, half air....

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Maxwell Silver said
 

This article has a slant that I don't totally disagree with. Alas, fixing to much debt with more debt? Ten grand in the hands of the populace will end up in the pockets of the well to do anyway, most of it at least. Plus who's to say if it's gonna be paid back?

The real gist of this is not any particular "slant", but that someone is actually talking about it and the fact it's the NYT, is I think significant. I think the writer used the "loan to homeowners" as an example of the failed program and not a specific alternative. Quantitative Easing is the equivalent of a shell game and a manipulation of the economy, interest rates, bond values and Wall Street on a massive level.

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The real gist of this is not any particular "slant", but that someone is actually talking about it and the fact it's the NYT, is I think significant. I think the writer used the "loan to homeowners" as an example of the failed program and not a specific alternative. Quantitative Easing is the equivalent of a shell game and a manipulation of the economy, interest rates, bond values and Wall Street on a massive level.

 

Aha! Now that I be pickin' up what you be layin' down, The part about someone talkin' about the issue in the main stream media, yeah, it's about time.

QE is for the banks and foreign interests. 

 

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