Should students, faculty and others on college campuses be permitted to carry handguns?
Yes | No | Not Sure
Here is a poll on the Hampton Roads website.
http://hamptonroads.com/2011/04/virginia-techs-wounded-triumph-after-tragedy
Dans Club
March 2, 2008
I do not believe that anyone legally allowed to carry a handgun should be prohibited from doing so at any time. This includes college campuses, in the workplace, in shopping malls, at the Post Office, etc. No mere property owner (employer, shopping mall owner, etc) should be able to preempt my Constitutional right to self defense.
I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.
George Carlin
Supporter
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January 24, 2009
May 17, 2010
I have several lines of thought and even within my own thinking I begin to contradict myself.
History of the US and law functions only when a person is responsible for thier own safety. I am in agreement with that.
As the population grows and people are more confined in space and structure, stress and insecurity tend to cause civility to decay. ie road rage, parking lot rage, violence at sports events...
I do think that either people (students, faculty,whatever) should either be allowed to equip themselves so as to be capable of self preservation or the entity that forbids such capability should be criminally liable for any and all suffering/loss of life emanating from restrictions imposed. Entities cannot have it both ways. Either allow me to protect myself, or you must protect me without limits.
Kinda simple really.
Soap Box, Ballot Box, Ammo Box
in that order.
4 Monson Model 15's
1 Palmer FB 15
1 Rossi 357 Model 92 (lever)
1 CZ 75B
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Dans Club
March 27, 2009
January 8, 2011
I am a Southern Baptist. My Pastor carried a .38 spec. in his briefcase everywhere he goes. Only a few in the congregation know this. A church 7 miles from here had a big blow up over concealed carry in their church recently. The treasurer carries a lot of money away from church on Sunday and she packs a 9mm.
As for CC I agree with Pinetor above. If you got 'em, carry 'em. I have guns scattered about my home, car and golf cart. As the old Texan said when asked, "who are you afraid of" he said "no dam* body."
Hossman
January 17, 2010
I beleive it to be a liability thing for property owners. Lib"tards" and non-gun owners believe the firearm itself is evil and will misfire everywhere. therefore for liability reasons they restrict them. Or claim they do.
There have been cases where CW civilians have stopped gun waving robbers or rampaging killers with thier legal firearms and the property did not pursue charges for violating thier firearm restriction policy. As usual, anti's don't mind when you save thier a#$ with a "heater".
Pinetor made an interesting point...I would like to see a lawsuit where a victim sues a property due to said victim not being able to protect themselves because of that property owner's restrictions. Big business and insurance compainies would fight that courtroom brawl in earnest.
I protect myself everywhere...sign or not. Unfourtunately I would not protect other patrons or property in a place where firearms are restricted, but I will drop a thug anywhere if my family or myself are threatened.
"experience is the hardest teacher, the test comes before the lesson"
February 11, 2010
6point8 said:
Pinetor made an interesting point...I would like to see a lawsuit where a victim sues a property due to said victim not being able to protect themselves because of that property owner's restrictions. Big business and insurance compainies would fight that courtroom brawl in earnest.
I need to check to verify but is'nt this why Wal-Mart removed
the no firearms sign from their entrance doors a couple years back?
Something about a pill head robbed their pharmacy and a man could
not protect his family ....I may be totally off base here.
-Blacktop
January 31, 2011
I was recently in college. During my last year, the state finally passed a law allowing me to leave my legal CWP locked inside my car while it was parked on a public street, even if that street ran through the center of campus. Prior to that, I had to leave it at home for fear of being "on" campus parking and getting charged for a felony. The thing is, the campus and local papers regularly ran reports of armed robberies and muggings that occurred on-campus or nearby. Talking with fellow students, I could never understand why more of them did not want to be able to protect themselves. I think that many of them did not want to accept the personal responsiblity that carrying for self-protection entails.
Of course, I support all forms of carry, anywhere, anytime. If I have a right to be there, I should have a right to protect myself and my family there as well.
Joe
"Good judgement comes from experience. Most experience comes from bad judgement." - Cooper
December 26, 2010
Make no mistake that I hold that if a person can be and is responsible with a gun, they should be allowed to carry. Nobody, no business, should be able to restrict their ability to protect themselves or their family.
But let me play devil's advocate as a dad. Young adults can be awfully stupid and everybody makes mistakes.
How do you teach a child or a young adult to be responsible at all times and not cave to peer pressure or young male machismo? Just a few days ago, I watched my 12 year old pick up my 357 (I had just laid it down to get the camera to take pictures of it) and start aiming it (at the wall, not me). I asked him how he knew it wasn't loaded. He got a worried look on his face and set it down. I had him pick it up and open the cylinder to see that it was unloaded. I reminded him that he should always ask before he touches another's gun and that he should always check to see if it is loaded (even if he is told it isn't). (On a positive note, he never put his finger on the trigger and he was careful where he pointed it.) This whole encounter took maybe 15 seconds, but that is how fast something can go wrong.
I guess to answer my own question, it is continued exposure to safe practices and calm correction when improvement can be made. (Yes, I learned I should have gotten the camera first and then the gun.) As a parent, I would be nervous if my young adult was carrying, especially in a primarily child or young adult setting. But then again, I'm nervous when he leaves the house. I know just how quick a bad guy can hurt a child. A responsible person should be able to carry anywhere.
I better get back to work now.
January 8, 2011
Talk about irresponsible "adults" and guns. I live next door to a family who has a 21 year old son in the Coast Guard. His job is on a cutter in the Gulf of Mexico chasing drug runners. He boards the drug boats with an M-16 and a side arm and searches boats. He is such an idiot it would scare me to serve beside him.
2 nights ago he was home on leave. He got his second speeding ticket. The cop saw rolling papers on his console. Cop searched the car. Found a pot pipe. He was put in jail. Cops called the Coast Guard. Coast Guard recalled him from leave and now he may get a general discharge. That is an example of how irresponsible a 21 year old can be. Colleges are full of kids like him. Then again, there are some very mature students unlike him. Kids with guns scare the crap out of me until I get to know them. This guy has a 14 year old brother that I have taught to shoot with very safe habits. I'd shoot with him any day any where.
Hossman
Dans Club
March 2, 2008
A famous document says:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
The first Right listed is my Right to Life, yet a shopping mall owner can deny me the right to protect my life. This same shopping mall owner seems to be unwilling to deny packs of rowdy thugs the ability to roam indiscriminately, curse and use the foulest language imaginable, block corridors and store entryways, etc.
I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.
George Carlin
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