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The end of America.....
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TheTman
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October 30, 2011 - 11:27 pm
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Is speeding toward us like a runaway freight train. I subscribe to a few investment groups and I've seen a common thread in all of them, that the end of America as we know it is quickly approaching, most say that it will hit sometime during 2012.
FACT: The USA currently borrows approximately 40 cents of every dollar it spends.
FACT: The USA currently owes almost 15 TRILLION dollars of debt.
More than we've owed in our entire history as a nation if you added up all the debt we owed until around the year 2000.
FACT: China and other countries are going to get tired of loaning us money that we are never going to be able to repay.
FACT: The USA is going to run out of credit sometime in near future as countries are no longer willing to loan us the money that we need to operate.
FACT: A do nothing or do little congress is helping Obama run this nation into the ground. Obama will probably achieve his dream of turning us into another 3rd world country during the next year.
FACT: An administration in trouble is a dangerous animal that will turn on it's citizens, taking away rights, and property as it trys to cling to power.

The tipping point will be when foreign countries decline to loan us any more money. This could happen at any time. I believe China is very close to sayin "no more". Another tipping point could happen if OPEC changes it's price per barrel of oil from dollars to some other currency. Either of these events will have disatrous effects on the US economy. The US will turn on it's own citizens first, stopping payment of social security, welfare, disability, all government funded programs will screech to a halt as the money runs out. As our currency becomes worthless prices will skyrocket for everything.

Most are suggesting buying enough non-perishable food items to last 6 months to a year, rice, beans, canned meat, MRE's, whatever. They also suggest to have a good amount of gold and silver to barter with.
Guns should be on your list of mandatory items to own, but most likely our 2nd admendment rights will be suspended under Martial Law, so I suggest hiding what you can, and only having the bare minimum readily accessable that you need for self defense, guns will most likely be confiscated as they were during Katrina. Don't forget about ammo, and the tools to make your own. Bullets may become an acceptable barter item.
We are likely to see food riots and city's burning as the welfare checks run out, and we are longer able to pay for police and fire protection. Expect to work on the promise of a paycheck as things get better.
Expect police to want a cash bribe if you get stopped, for real or imagined offenses. Take a look at what's going on in Greece, and about to happen in Italy, and you'll see our future. Gang violence will escalate dramtically as they carve out chunks of cities to extort. Expect all violent crimes to escalate, armed robbery, muggings, anything to get cash or valubles.

For protection: Move some of your cash to off-shore accounts in countries that have no agreement with the USA to disclose account information to the US. (not Switzerland, as they have made some deals with the US).
If you can, have a non urban rally point, that is defendable from all sorts of attack. Keep a bug out bag handy and your vehicle(s) full of gas for a rapid get away. Make a plan with trusted friends on what to do and where to meet. Be prepared for those in power to tell you all is well, even as the crap is hitting the fan. Expect your bank accounts and safety deposit boxes to be raided by government as they search for money and gold to operate. Read a copy of "Aftershock" (2nd Edition) by David Weidemer to get an idea of what is going on and why it is happening. Get your money out of the Stock Market and into a safer haven.

I know I'm going to be called paranoid, but when I have several of the sharpest minds in the investment world telling me the same thing, I listen.
Start preparing NOW. There is no telling how much time we have left before the crap hits the fan. Between the Patriot Act, and Obama's healthcare plan, the government has unconstitional priveleges it never has had before. Read my thread on Capp's law. it was called tinfoil hat paranoia by a member of another forum, but as I told him, I'd rather be prepared for something and not have it happen, then caught with my pants down.

I REALLY hope this warning is a waste of time, but too many things are in motion for it not to happen. Hopefully the USA's meltdown won't be as severe as it is in some other nations, but it's best to be prepared for the worst. As far as these stimulus packages and bailouts go, you might as well throw water on a drowning person, throwing more money after the bad is not going to straighten out this economy. You can't spend your way out of a debt crisis. It's like trying to avoid bankruptcy by taking out more lines of credit.

A severe reduction in spending is the only thing that might save our butts, and I just don't see that happening with the leaders we have now.
Ron Paul is about the only politician that sees what is going on and is willing to admit it. Most just want to happy talk you, knowing they will be protected when things go to hell. "Money Mischief" by Milton Friedman is another book that will clue you in on what is going on with our money.

I paid good money to get this advice ( and a lot more information ) but I'm sharing the warning with my friends here for free, do with it what you will. call me names, I don't care, as I am going to have my butt covered, and ready for the crap to hit the fan. If you can't accept at least the possiblity of this happening, then I really feel sorry for you, or else you are welcoming it in which case I won't say what I feel for you.

I'm suggesting nothing radical, nothing wrong with storing extra food, having extra ammo on hand, having some of your portfolio in gold and/or silver even in the best of times isn't a bad thing to do. Owning guns has always been a good investment for me, they almost always go up in price if you own them long enough, unless they are cheap guns. I'm not expecting my LC9 or my DB9 to increase in price, but most of my other guns are holding their own if not increasing in value. Like I say, I hope I am terribly wrong on the dire predictions, but I wouldn't be writing this if I didn't believe the nation is in peril.

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October 31, 2011 - 10:02 am
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A little lenghty but not incorrect on most counts. Its good that you kept from using terms that some people are not familar with.

 

Besides some obvious things that could happen that you alluded to, more likely is a "death by 1000 cuts". You won't wake up to no police protection, it just won't be 24 hour protection, then only certain areas.. and so on.  China could stop buying our debt which is bad... or they could stop buying and start selling ( DUMPING) which is what would cause the type situation you are talking about. I do not think wants to this, but they are losing tons of money by continueing to buy our debt. Arab states not wanting the dollar would seem as/more likely. The problem is they in turn dont have a good currency to turn to... euro?? I don't think so!!

As for blaming Obama ( I did not vote for either of the major parties last election) there is plenty of blame to go around. Both parties have been using the printing press to make ends meet for at least 16 years.

I don't think this is the "end of America", it will be the end of short sighted politics and policies. Our children are more than just entertainment drunk couch monkees. They are communication savy, social engineered and driven. They know first hand that advertising is bogus... whether its McDonalds or politicians. The old divisive ploys like racism and party loyalty... bounce off them like airsoft pellets on a tank.  They can run circles around most of the highest paid political machines when it comes to the internet. Us old foggies voted for a change...  ( well someone did) ... but change will not come from the top down.. it will ... as it always has, come from the people. 

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I subscribe to several investment newsletters, and they are all saying now is the time to protect your investments.  Some are predicting total chaos, others just a bit of a rough time, but they ALL are predicting some troubles to come our way because of this mountain of Debt we've accumulated.

I tried to find out who owns the debt we've accumlated and most of it belongs to US.  The following breaks down who owns the debt:

Social Security Trust Fund 2.67 Trillion Dollars or about 19%
The Federal
Reserve 1.63 Trillion or about 11.3%
China 1.16 Trillion or about 8% (Largest foreign holder of US debt.)
US Citizens 959.4 Billion or about 6.6%
Japan 912.4 Billion or about 6.4%
State and Local Govts. 506.1 Billion or about 3.5%
Private Pension Funds 504.7 Billion or about 3.5%
The United Kingdom 346.5 Billion or about 2.4%
Money Market Mutual Funds 337.7 Billion or about 2.4%
State, Local, and Federal Retirement funds 320.9 billion or 2.2%
Commercial Banks 301.8 Billion or about 2.1%
Mutual Funds 300.5 Billion or about 2%
OPEC countries 229.8 Billion or about 1.6%
Brazil 211.4 Billion of about 1.5%
Taiwan 153.4 Billion or about 1.1%
Carribean Banking Centers 148.3 Billion or about 1%
Hong Kong 121.9 billion or about .9%

China is the largest foreign investor. I'm not comfortable that
Social Security holds 19% of the debt. America owns most of it's own debt, While some 4.5 trillion is owned by foreign countries or foriegn
investors.

That only adds up to about 76 percent. Not sure where the
other 24 percent is.
Those are figures from http://www.businessinsider.com/who-owns-us-debt-2011-7#

 

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YOu guys keep me reading!   Sad but true the USA is not what it once was!  Keep us updated and thanks for the info! 

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Just forget it, I feel like the guy in September of 1929 telling people to sell the stocks.  Trying to give a heads up to people that don't want to hear it.

The book "Aftershock" by Weidemers and Spritzer will give you a lot of info you might want to know.

It was nice meeting you at the gun show DWA-Midwest.  I think I am going to be banned for saying some things to the moderator, so it's been nice knowing you.

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