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March 2, 2008
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Proof positive that Remington has a price tag on Integrity
http://www.wham1180.com/pages/localnews.html?article=11042313
I guess there is a selling price for everything. Seems like they sold out pretty low for one of the biggest names in the industry. At least I know they don't need my money in the future, cause they already sold out for $80,000,000 of my money and yours.
Pathetic!
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December 4, 2011
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Well I won't be buying anything Remington from now on. They sold out IMO.
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February 22, 2009
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But...1,200 people keep their jobs. BM may relocate and create more jobs elsewhere-maybe back to Kentuky??? Who knows.
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March 2, 2008
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But...1,200 people keep their jobs. BM may relocate and create more jobs elsewhere-maybe back to Kentuky??? Who knows.
Thanks for being the voice of reason, but moving to a gun friendly state would have re-created the jobs lost in New York. PTR is pretty definite about leaving CT, and Stag is still talking about it. I applaud the manufacturers that have the cojones to forget the talk, and take a walk.
Besides which, in CT it's welfare, unemployment, and entitlement "employees" that are driving the economy. It's very easy to forecast sales trends in my business based on when the "checks" are coming out.
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February 22, 2009
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Not only in CT, Steve. The populated areas (read urban) have far different values than the rest of Louisiana. I have to write my state reps this weekend because of three bills introduced into the House. One would make it illegal to fire a weapon within 1,000 feet of your home in a rural area... REALLY????
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July 2, 2011
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Well, Remington pimped themselves out pretty cheap.
If the arms manufacturers couldn't win the fight in their states, they should vote with their feet and help lawmakers understand it's not just the 2nd Ammendentment. It's commerce, employment, indusrty, tax revenue and integrity.
Of course Ron you are correct. The gun violence issue is primarily in "populated areas (read urban)". Nobody has the stones to lay that one on the national stage.
Sorry guys, it just frosts my a**.
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One would make it illegal to fire a weapon within 1,000 feet of your home in a rural area... REALLY????
That's no biggie, I have one of those really long ribbon type measuring tapes to measure the boundaries of my land lot. I would simply measure 1002' from my back porch, then build a permanent firing range & blaze away!
Seriously though, reading that article, it sounds like Remington is probably now manufacturing weapons primarily for the government & military. Because once this news spreads, I predict most of their over the counter sales are gonna dry up overnight. Considering that Remington is owned by a capital management group who's main interest is ultimately the bottom line, this isn't that surprising to me.
However, they forgot that the much of the informed gun buying public have scruples about crap like this. Take me for example, since S&W caved in the 90's & introduced the Hillary hole, I vowed to never buy one of their products (although I'd still like to bring home some models made during the 10's-30's). I wonder how many others out there are like me & how much money that decision ultimately cost them?
I sincerely hope Ruger has the stones to stand firm on crap like this, because if they ultimately cave, I'm gonna be truly saddened. I like owning Rugers.
February 26, 2012
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Welcome to Capitalism 101, guys. How much would it cost Remington to move their plant, train new employees (not all 1200 could/would move) and make up the lost production either consumer or military? They have stock holders to answer to. Their decision to stay in NY was economic nothing else. Do any of you really expect Ruger to move from CT? If they do that would be a real surprise to me.
I didn't hear a bunch of screaming when FN Herstal closed the Winchester plant and moved the production of 94 and 70 to the southland and raised the MSRP by some $300 to $400. Same type of decision .... money.
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December 4, 2011
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I understand their motives, I just don't agree with the decision. I never thought Beretta would leave MD, but it seems like they will. That can't be a cheap move either, but they are privately held so that made it easier.
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March 2, 2008
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You know what, I agree with pecos bill, and he has validated my original premise, integrity always has a price. In this case, and many others, the price was expressed in $$$. I guess we can't really fault Remington for scamming the $$$, they were never going to move anyhow.
They managed to hustle a lot of your money and mine from a bunch of sleazy politicians. Fortunately, I have the free will to never willingly give them my money.
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May 2, 2009
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In the grand scheme of life, I'm a little fish in the big sea... however, Remington lost my business a long time ago.... Last year I tried to rekindle the relationship by purchasing a brand spanking new model 700VLS (their flagship at the time).... I was expecting the same quality as my early 80's guns...
What a piece of crap... poor finish, poor wood/metal fit, and the most god awful trigger ever. I sent a letter to remington 24 hrs after I bought it about the trigger...I got a typical lawyer thank you for your concern response with no support. So I bought an early 80's beater 700 and swapped the trigger out....
I'll gladly give my money to one of the other major manufacturers for more than one reason...
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January 22, 2008
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Sad to see they are cutting corners!
I have a late 80's 700 mountain rifle in 280 that was my brothers but it hasn't been shot in 20 years! I have always been found of my dad's little 870 wingmaster 20ga.
March 25, 2008
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Just remember the 80mill is comeing out of our pockets. So lets make some noise.
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March 27, 2009
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Sad day in America! I am with ya and shared the info with others! I have a few remingtons though they will be my last!
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I am swimming against the current here, but I have to disagree somewhat with all the bashing of Remington and other firearms companies because they wont pick up and move out of anti gun states.
It is true that the final decision comes down to money, but there are other factors at work. People who work at firearm factories no doubt are skilled workers. I'm sure most have roots and families and would be reluctant to move hundreds of miles away or more to follow their employer. It would be difficult to build a new facility, move all your production, and train a large amount of new employees.
I work in an industrial manufacturing plant. In our particular industry we are told that we are one of few plants running at capacity. Many plants still struggle to remain profitable. Our plant is running strong and it is because of the people who work there. You could move all the machinery somewhere else, but without the trained work force it would take years to recapture the productivity, if ever. Unfortunately if they ever pull the machinery out of our plant it will no doubt go all the way to China.
When a fire closed the Dan Wesson Firearms facility last year we all thought it was a great time for them to leave anti gun New York, but really, the current Dan Wesson Firearms is known for high quality 1911s built by highly skilled people there in Norwich. Craftsmen you might never replace and who might not be interested in moving. I am glad they opened a new larger facility nearby.
Move to a new state because the old location is in an anti gun state? What if in 5 years the new location turns antigun? Move again?? Perhaps we should not give up on states with anti gun governments, but stay there and try to turn the tide back to our favor. Administrations come and go, liberal freaks may not be able to maintain there control forever. We have an extremely anti gun administration in the White House but you don't see me moving to Switzerland I am staying here and hoping we can turn things around at the next opportunity.
I cant comment on Remington's quality because the newest Rem I own is 15 years old, but hopefully they will improve on it, at least they are a company still manufacturing in the USA even if it is NY.
Ok I am ready for my
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All well thought out points. It is a complicated situation to be sure. I can't disagree with a thing you said. I won't get into a discussion on the economic merits of corporate moves. Those are unique to each situation.
I can only say these are difficult situations in difficult times. As we are all aware there are many movements across this country to diminish, curtail or abolish in part or whole gun ownership. When the various state governments create laws hostile to the very thing you produce, in many cases make it illegal for those very same skilled workers to own what they produce, there is a larger problem.
It is difficult for a thing to survive, much less thrive in a toxic environment. The only power any of us has is at the ballot box and in the wallet. I vote my wallet all the time. Shoot, I've never spent a dime to see a Hanoi Jane movie and never will, but that's a whole other thread 
. It's clear that that in these states the ballot box hasn't worked.
I would suggest that there is an ethical issue at play. Should these states that revile the thing you make, be rewarded by you continuing to contribute to the wealth of that state? If those companies choose overlook what is happening to their industry and and the RIGHTS of their employees, are they deserving of my few dollars?
Like I said, difficult issues. Sticky concepts.
I too now stand ready for my
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Brian-
I'm the OP, and in no way will I bash you for a different perspective. There is a lot of emotion involved in the hobby/sport/passion that we hold dear, I understand what you are saying.
It takes a lot for an industrial entity to pick up and relocate. I admire the ability of some of these companies to have the mobility and integrity to say "enough is enough, and this is too much".
How many of us have longed for the ability to look at our job and say "enough is enough, and this is too much"?
I can only say that my position is to support the company that does say "enough is enough, and this is too much" whenever I can. Anything I need from Remington is probably available elsewhere, but I have pretty simple needs.
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