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December 7, 2020
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I traded services with a reloader for 500 rnds of 357 max...(no problems on first lots) and
WE knew something was off when on some loads went "poof" instead of "Bang", and we were getting unburt powder out of the 0.002" gap, bouncing off stall walls and peppering up in the face. But, we were hitting the target @ 15 yards. This round jammed in the barrel and fortunately locked up the cylinder. The pictured cartidge had blown back and primer had grabbed the firing pin. Had to disassemble the 357MAX to eject cylinder. Pictured.
The 445VS8 was a recent purchase and only previous shot was 44mags. This day was 44mag loads, 360(?) grain bullet in .445 cartridges. The primer on the 4th-5th shot has grabbed the firing pin and locked up the cylinder. I may have been getting flame from cartridge-end of cylinder...(primer), but do not know for sure. I was able to remove the lockring, but shroud will not come off...stuck on the pin that aligns the shroud. Rubber mallet has not loosened it. Advice on removal without breaking the pin?
Different Topic: I scrub the cylinder bores of my 357MAX with brass brush and CLP cleaner the day before shooting because the spent cartridges have a tendency to stick when being ejected. I did not dry the cylinder bores thinking the CLP would aid in spent cartridge ejection. Is it possible the the heat from the cartridge being fired and the CLP cleaner residue creates the problem of difficult ejection?
February 16, 2016
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Do you mean CLP?
Anyhow, I always run a cotton swab down barrel bores and cylinder chambers after cleaning, to remove as much residue as possible.
November 26, 2021
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I'm not a DW guy but I reload a bunch
I speculate that the charge contained deadened propellant from cleaning residue at base of cartridge and only the primer's pressure seated the bullet into forcing cone
Dowel rod with smartly smacked by mallet from muzzle to remove lodged projectile
It happens
Think twice, shoot once
October 12, 2021
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Scout728 said
I traded services with a reloader for 500 rnds of 357 max...(no problems on first lots) and
WE knew something was off when on some loads went "poof" instead of "Bang", and we were getting unburt powder out of the 0.002" gap, bouncing off stall walls and peppering up in the face. But, we were hitting the target @ 15 yards. This round jammed in the barrel and fortunately locked up the cylinder. The pictured cartidge had blown back and primer had grabbed the firing pin. Had to disassemble the 357MAX to eject cylinder. Pictured.
The 445VS8 was a recent purchase and only previous shot was 44mags. This day was 44mag loads, 360(?) grain bullet in .445 cartridges. The primer on the 4th-5th shot has grabbed the firing pin and locked up the cylinder. I may have been getting flame from cartridge-end of cylinder...(primer), but do not know for sure. I was able to remove the lockring, but shroud will not come off...stuck on the pin that aligns the shroud. Rubber mallet has not loosened it. Advice on removal without breaking the pin?
Different Topic: I scrub the cylinder bores of my 357MAX with brass brush and MLP cleaner the day before shooting because the spent cartridges have a tendency to stick when being ejected. I did not dry the cylinder bores thinking the MLP would aid in spent cartridge ejection. Is it possible the the heat from the cartridge being fired and the MLP cleaner residue creates the problem of difficult ejection?
If you get a cylinder hone same caliber or size as your cylinder and run it in and out 8-10 times per hole your stuck case days will be behind you, they are available for 20 -30 usd on ebay. And shooting other people's ammo is always a risk, you find out soon enough if they knew what they were doing. Glad your all ok.
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December 7, 2020
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Scout728 said
I traded services with a reloader for 500 rnds of 357 max...(no problems on first lots) and
WE knew something was off when on some loads went "poof" instead of "Bang", and we were getting unburt powder out of the 0.002" gap, bouncing off stall walls and peppering up in the face. But, we were hitting the target @ 15 yards. This round jammed in the barrel and fortunately locked up the cylinder. The pictured cartidge had blown back and primer had grabbed the firing pin. Had to disassemble the 357MAX to eject cylinder. Pictured.
The 445VS8 was a recent purchase and only previous shot was 44mags. This day was 44mag loads, 360(?) grain bullet in .445 cartridges. The primer on the 4th-5th shot has grabbed the firing pin and locked up the cylinder. I may have been getting flame from cartridge-end of cylinder...(primer), but do not know for sure. I was able to remove the lockring, but shroud will not come off...stuck on the pin that aligns the shroud. Rubber mallet has not loosened it. Advice on removal without breaking the pin?
Different Topic: I scrub the cylinder bores of my 357MAX with brass brush and MLP cleaner the day before shooting because the spent cartridges have a tendency to stick when being ejected. I did not dry the cylinder bores thinking the MLP would aid in spent cartridge ejection. Is it possible the the heat from the cartridge being fired and the MLP cleaner residue creates the problem of difficult ejection?
If you get a cylinder hone same caliber or size as your cylinder and run it in and out 8-10 times per hole your stuck case days will be behind you, they are available for 20 -30 usd on ebay. And shooting other people's ammo is always a risk, you find out soon enough if they knew what they were doing. Glad your all ok.
Took the 357 Max back to the range. Same results
Looks like I will be investing in a cylinder hone. Suggestions on grit?
As for ammo, I suppose I will be pulling bullets from at least one lot of reloads.
Until then, I guess I will be shooting magnums for a while.
As for the 445, the shroud is still stuck on the the alignment pin. Cylinder still stuck. It looks like firing pin still in primer. I am concerned about hard I should be banging the frame with a rubber mallet with 4-5 live rounds still in the cylinder?
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February 22, 2009
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Regarding the 445- I'm assuming the barrel is still screwed in? If so, try putting some Kroil or other penetrating oil between the barrel and shroud- I'm thinking the shroud is stuck to the barrel and that's what's holding it all together. If the barrel is removed and it is just the shroud- bang away- you're not going to set off the cartridges.
Technically, the glass is always full; half liquid, half air....
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December 7, 2020
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rwsem said
Regarding the 445- I'm assuming the barrel is still screwed in? If so, try putting some Kroil or other penetrating oil between the barrel and shroud- I'm thinking the shroud is stuck to the barrel and that's what's holding it all together. If the barrel is removed and it is just the shroud- bang away- you're not going to set off the cartridges.
Three Cheers for Kroil! So, on the 445 it took 24 hrs and a rubber mallet to remove the shroud from the barrel. I assume the powder residue worked it's way into the slots and stuck it to the barrel. I assumed that once I got the shroud off and unscrewed the barrel that it would take pressure off the cylinder and and the firing pin would dislodge itself from the primer. But no dice. So I made a tool to work it out of the primer: 99 cent 90 degree pick hammered to 0.006" thickness. That did the trick.....(I am still patting myself on the back for my ingenuity)
Now that it's apart: The shroud alignment pin is either broken off or is completely inside the shroud.
Does anyone know the dimensions/specs of the shroud alignment pin?
October 12, 2021
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Scout728 said
dbxdiver said
Scout728 said
I traded services with a reloader for 500 rnds of 357 max...(no problems on first lots) and
WE knew something was off when on some loads went "poof" instead of "Bang", and we were getting unburt powder out of the 0.002" gap, bouncing off stall walls and peppering up in the face. But, we were hitting the target @ 15 yards. This round jammed in the barrel and fortunately locked up the cylinder. The pictured cartidge had blown back and primer had grabbed the firing pin. Had to disassemble the 357MAX to eject cylinder. Pictured.
The 445VS8 was a recent purchase and only previous shot was 44mags. This day was 44mag loads, 360(?) grain bullet in .445 cartridges. The primer on the 4th-5th shot has grabbed the firing pin and locked up the cylinder. I may have been getting flame from cartridge-end of cylinder...(primer), but do not know for sure. I was able to remove the lockring, but shroud will not come off...stuck on the pin that aligns the shroud. Rubber mallet has not loosened it. Advice on removal without breaking the pin?
Different Topic: I scrub the cylinder bores of my 357MAX with brass brush and MLP cleaner the day before shooting because the spent cartridges have a tendency to stick when being ejected. I did not dry the cylinder bores thinking the MLP would aid in spent cartridge ejection. Is it possible the the heat from the cartridge being fired and the MLP cleaner residue creates the problem of difficult ejection?
If you get a cylinder hone same caliber or size as your cylinder and run it in and out 8-10 times per hole your stuck case days will be behind you, they are available for 20 -30 usd on ebay. And shooting other people's ammo is always a risk, you find out soon enough if they knew what they were doing. Glad your all ok.
Took the 357 Max back to the range. Same results
Looks like I will be investing in a cylinder hone. Suggestions on grit?
As for ammo, I suppose I will be pulling bullets from at least one lot of reloads.
Until then, I guess I will be shooting magnums for a while.
As for the 445, the shroud is still stuck on the the alignment pin. Cylinder still stuck. It looks like firing pin still in primer. I am concerned about hard I should be banging the frame with a rubber mallet with 4-5 live rounds still in the cylinder?
Look up Flex Hone they come caliber specific sizes and work like a charm. Not expensive.
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February 22, 2009
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It's just a roll pin. Run a drill bit down the hole to see if there is any pieces left in there. Go to the local hardware store and get a variety pins. Use the one that is just oversized and tap that in...
Technically, the glass is always full; half liquid, half air....
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rwsem said
It's just a roll pin. Run a drill bit down the hole to see if there is any pieces left in there. Go to the local hardware store and get a variety pins. Use the one that is just oversized and tap that in...
From Keith at DW: :The shroud locating pin is 3/32 x 5/16”."
Thanks guys! I plan to have them both up and shooting tomorrow.
I am sure there may be an excess of Koil in the internals. If I leave the handle off, I assume it will drip out of that end.
Scared to take the plate off, afraid of the gunk that might be in there. But I will be ordering some Spring Kits, and when they get here, I will be cleaning it out then.
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