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June 18, 2012
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I sent two .44's off to be blued. Long story rediculous, bluer had health issues and I received them back blued and disassembled. However there were extra parts and the reassembly, not having disassembled them myself, seemed more than I wanted to wade into. Had them reassembled by a gunsmith.
I now have an issue with one of the triggers. The obvious answer is that I should take it back to the gunsmith and have him fix it. But since I now have one working perfectly and am able to disassemble them myself, I thought I'd tinker a little before I call calf rope and take it back to the gunsmith.
About half way through the trigger travel in both directions is seems to be hanging up. Sometimes if I let it return slowly it will completly hang up mid travel. It seems to coincide with the bolt operation. In that it seems like the bolt is very slightly moving forward at the same time the trigger gets hung up. You can feel it slightly catching also when you pull the hammer to the rear. I don't necessarily think the bolt has anything to do with it but i noticed the movement coincided.
I have been through the baptism of fire on the trigger group reassembly. After several thousand attempts I discovered the old thread trick. I'm such a retard, even tying the hand and transfer bar together turned into something of an ordeal. Once I accomplished that, the trigger group went in on the first try.
During my adventure I noticed only one anomaly, other than the end result of course. After you remove the hex screw from the right side of the frame you're supposed to screw it into the hole for the grip screw in order to hold the main spring. In my case the screw would not thread into anything. It simply turned and never caught. In the gun that operates correctly, the screw catches and holds the mainspring in. This makes me think perhaps that there is an issue with the mainspring however they look the same.
I'm stumped fellas.
Appreciate any insight.
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February 22, 2009
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Does this occur every time or every few pulls? I ask because maybe it's the cylinder rubbing on the barrel because the gap is too close. Some DWs do not have trued faces on the cylinder. If not that, it may be difficult to diagnose without having it in hand. Others will chime in as well, I'm sure.
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June 18, 2012
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Thanks Ron. I had the barrel on it when I first noticed but started breaking it down to see if I could see the problem. It still does it with no barrel on it. I can see nothing rubbing or catching. Still scratching my head.
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February 22, 2009
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OK then, the next place I'd look is the bolt/ plunger/ spring/crane lock to make sure that's all put together correctly. http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufacturers/DanWesson-33200/44-35953.htm?page=2
Also- try turning the grip screw in or out a bit, it may be interfering.
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June 18, 2012
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I checked out the bolt/plunger/spring/crane lock assembly. I can see nothing that appears to be broken, malfunctioning or out of place. The issue I'm having is without the grip on it as well. I'm pretty well stumped.
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Here's my pretty strange suggestion:
Since you gave him two identical guns, and got back at least one non-functional gun, I'm guessing some parts got interchanged. There are some pieces in there fitted to the gun, or are working with parts fitted to the gun.
Mix and match may have occurred because the guy who took them apart is not the guy who put them back together, and neither of them is necessarily DW convedsant
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February 22, 2009
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That's a good suggestion Steve; maybe try switching the hands first.
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June 18, 2012
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Hadn't thought of that. I guess I was thinking that if a part was fitted to one then it wouldn't even fit in the other. But that's not necessarily the case. It might fit in the other but just not fit correctly and therefore not function correctly.
Now that I've mastered the thread trick I don't have nightmares and flop sweats at the prospect of taking them apart. I'll start with the bolt assembly first.
Just curious, when you remove the hex screw from the right side of the frame and screw it in to the grip screw hole, any idea what it is that it actually screws into? The mainspring itself is much larger than the screw and I can see nothing else that it would thread into.
Thanks fellas.
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November 17, 2008
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The screw threads into the main spring guide rod.
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June 18, 2012
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Interesting. I never looked at the end of the guide rod because it seemed too small. I find it interesting that both guns, after disassembly without inserting that screw, after reassembly the screw won't thread into it any longer.
I seriously doubt this has anything to do with my present problem but I'm going to make a point to compress the mainspring until the screw threads are engaged before I reassemble. I really don't believe in miracles but who knows, it may help.
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November 17, 2008
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Here are the last 3 pages of the DW instruction booklet which describes disassembly and assembly. I hope it helps. Good luck.
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June 18, 2012
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Thanks LB. In fact that's very helpful. I've had a couple things out of sequence which may make a difference.
June 18, 2012
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I tried swappping out the bolt/crane lock group. Turns out there is at least one part fitted to the respective guns that won't work interchangably. The bolt from the working gun won't work in the other. The end of the guide rod/plunger bumps up against it and it won't push in far enough to get the crane lock into place. So that group has to be in the right place. On to the trigger housing group.
Try as I might, I just can't find or see what's rubbing. But there's only a few parts moving so if it's not the bolt group, it has to be the trigger group or the hammer assembly. Last night it did occur to me that if there are a couple of fitted parts in the wrong gun, it's possible it's the transfer bar or hand. I'll try them tonight. Had to call calf rope last night. Just quit smoking and my nerves were getting a little raw.
June 18, 2012
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The good news is I've made progress. The bad news is that I haven't solved the problem. I know the problem is in the trigger group. Last night I swapped out the entire mechanism and the problem still existed so it it appears it has something to do with the frame. Just to be on the safe side I swapped out individually the hand and transfer bar. Oddly, the hand is a piece that has been fit to the functioning gun and is too short to turn the cylinder in the other one. That being the case, I suppose I have it narrowed down to the transfer bar. I guess Dan Wesson actually calls it the connector. All this switching I have done is without the hammer in the gun so I eliminated that group as a possible cause.
I'm not completely clear on the movement of the connector. I know it must move in a sort of track but can't see anything clearly. I can see the opening through which the hand protrudes. Is there some sort of groove or track on that side that the connector slides through?
Appreciate any insight fellas.
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