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June 25, 2013
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I measured the rise on the 14-2 I got and it was edging up to 5/32's, then between 9 and 10/64ths. This one I took out once and it also was shooting high at 20 to 25 feet a good 6 to 8 inches. When the weather gets better I'm gonna try again, if it's still the same I'm gonna swap a 15-2 shroud for a test.
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March 27, 2009
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We will get to bottom of this one! Thanks for pictures they do help with ideas! If you live close to another member with spare parts it would be cool to mount a 15-2 shroud on it see where it hits!
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February 22, 2009
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5/32" = 3.96875 millimeters
Technically, the glass is always full; half liquid, half air....
February 11, 2010
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No disrespect Rambler, it's just we have worked with new member problems before and
after tons of questions and pages of pages, finally figured out they were a novice who
didn't have much shooting experience or maybe their problem was due to the Gun show
reloads they forgot to mention they bought. So, in a sense, figured it best to check the
battery cables before pulling the starter....
Anyway, I would send that shroud off to Eric at EWK and have him tap it so you can easily
change out sights and get a couple different blade heights so ya can tune it in.
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December 13, 2013
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No offense taken, Blacktop, and I appreciate that you troubled to reply. I sell auto parts and certainly understand the starter analogy. It was just that I had posted early on in this thread about shooting the 64 with the same loads at the same time had having much better results and I wanted to be completely clear that I did not think technique was the issue. Posting the video is, I freely admit, an indulgence in vanity to raise my view count. 
Dave, I agree that a 15-2 shroud to experiment with would be outstanding, but I know no-one with a DW. The guys at the gun store I transferred it through didn't even know what it was, and I had to explain that quickly and easily detaching a barrel from a revolver is a perfectly natural and even desirable act. 
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March 25, 2013
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Reb, I have DWAS and have acquired a 14-2 and a High Standard sentinel mk ii. Both fixed sights. It is nice to shoot a gun without worrying about sighting it in. However it has to be accurate. The 14-2 shoots low but the sentinel is a tack driver. My wife has appropriated it and claims it her favorite revolver of all time. Considering she was a LE firearms instructor that is no small praise. But they have to shoot to poa. I like the idea of sending it to Eric and having him tap the shroud for
a replaceable sight. He has patridge sights of various heights. You could have one for close work and one for distance. Considering the fact that your existing sight is buggered I think that is the best solution.
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I like the idea of sending it to Eric and having him tap the shroud for
a replaceable sight.
Sounds like a great idea but I thought I might point out that while I am confident Eric can do most anything, the shrouds with pinned sights (14 series and early 15 series) the pin is in a different location than the ones with changeable sights. Sure it can be done but there will be an extra hole to deal with or leave there. My thought is since your sight is damaged why not just try replacing it first as that will be the easiest and least costly. Of course it is completely up to you. Good luck.
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December 13, 2013
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Well, I have sent an e-mail to Eric at EWK and am now awaiting a reply. We shall see what happens!
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LB is right, there will be an extra small hole. But that can be plugged I'm sure.
Before you send it off I would try a couple things.
First, back up to what Max said, I don't recommend you sand the shroud to frame but
look at that area, is there any gunk, powder foul or stuff ? how about that index pin
hole ? and just thought of it, you have an index pin sticking out of the rear shroud,yes ?
Second I would, and don't know if this would tell you anything or not, but take your
shroud off and then put it back on, hold muzzle straight up and leave the barrel nut
off, does the barrel look pretty much centered in the shroud ? or off to the side ?
If all that checks out then your back to square one and the sight has to be done anyway.
Now me I would send that to Eric and have him make that into a replaceable sight.
I'm more about function than looks, hell I screwed wire grate to my Ford grill cause
I'll be damn I buy another radiator due to a stick ! A couple extra lil pin holes in that
shroud wouldn't bother me in the least.
Which ever way you go you still need to know what height sight blade you gonna
need unless you buy the $40 Multi sight pack. What I would do is take
something like a popsicle stick and fashion a wooden sight blade (flat bottom of
course) and tape it right up against the broken sight, get that gun down on a solid
rest and fire two shot strings, adjust, sand, carve, or make multiple sights until
you get one that hits, then try this all again with your regular shooting technique.
This will give you something to measure so you can accurately chose what height
sight blade you need to order.
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March 25, 2013
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Reb, Eric has thin ( .001+.002) round shims he includes with his compensators to adjust the threading to position the compensator to force the gases up. They go between the frame and shroud. If you cut one in half and placed it under the barrel between the frame and shroud it might elevate the sight. It would cost just a few $.01 .
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June 25, 2013
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You know I was just wondering if these 14-2 Service revolvers weren't designed for this sight picture?
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December 13, 2013
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I was holding at 6 o'clock, believe me, Max. As I said, I was shooting the 64 with the same ammo and an equally low if not lower front sight and it was hitting to POA at the same range.
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RamblerReb said
I was holding at 6 o'clock, believe me, Max. As I said, I was shooting the 64 with the same ammo and an equally low if not lower front sight and it was hitting to POA at the same range.
No comparison to the 64, or a Ruger, or a Taurus, ...
A fixed sight gun shoots to a very specific POA, it's strength is that once you dial in with specific ammo, it NEVER CHANGES. This is the reason that fixed sight revolvers were so popular with PD's back in the day
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RamblerReb said
I was holding at 6 o'clock, believe me, Max. As I said, I was shooting the 64 with the same ammo and an equally low if not lower front sight and it was hitting to POA at the same range.
I believe you friend. I gots one that does the same thing!
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Steve CT said
RamblerReb said
I was holding at 6 o'clock, believe me, Max. As I said, I was shooting the 64 with the same ammo and an equally low if not lower front sight and it was hitting to POA at the same range.No comparison to the 64, or a Ruger, or a Taurus, ...
A fixed sight gun shoots to a very specific POA, it's strength is that once you dial in with specific ammo, it NEVER CHANGES. This is the reason that fixed sight revolvers were so popular with PD's back in the day
I understand, and if it was 2 or 3 inches, I could see it, but it's like it's lobbing the pills in, the farther away the higher. I am going out to a friend's tomorrow where I can do some distance shooting and see where it is really shooting to with these loads. I'll report back tomorrow evening.
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Do you have access to a laser bore sight? I use one to set my sights on all my guns prior to hitting the range, gets me on the paper right away and allows me to dial it in faster. A quick check between the bore sight and your POA will tell you what is what with the sight blade and barrel tube also.
Just a thought.
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SCORPIO said
Do you have access to a laser bore sight? I use one to set my sights on all my guns prior to hitting the range, gets me on the paper right away and allows me to dial it in faster. A quick check between the bore sight and your POA will tell you what is what with the sight blade and barrel tube also.
Just a thought.
What are you using?
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I just have an inexpensive unit I picked up at a gumshoe. Has different attachments for various calibers. They are rubber and expand as you twist them in the bore toself center. Other end has atapered base behind the laser rocenter in the barrel. Works well.
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December 13, 2013
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Well, I tried some distance work at 25 to about 100 yards and I still have nothing concrete to report. The wind was gusting between 15-30 mph completely at random with short calms, which was when I tried to do the shooting. Basically, I was rested on a sandbag firing SA with my standard 158gr LSWCHPs over 5.0gr of Unique, and Magtech 158gr LRN factory loads, both .38 Spl. Neither showed any accuracy advantage over the other that I could see in the admittedly inclement conditions.
It was rather frustrating doing the long-range work. I actually hit my first target, a 12-inch steel plate at almost 100 yards, with my very first shot. Then I couldn't hit a bull in the butt with a bass fiddle afterwards, except for one more hit on another 12-incher a few shots later.
The closer work at 25 yards was a bit more telling, I thought, and took place during a lull in the wind. The piece continued to shoot very high, clear off of the typing-sheet sized target, high and centered. Even aiming at the bottom edge of the page, the shots were grouping at the top edge, nearly 10 inches higher.
Again, random blustery conditions make this all essentially meaningless. I have no idea what the wind was doing downrange, so, even though the wind was calm near me, anything could have been happening down there (no leaves on the trees or telltales to guage by).
All this was done, as I said, rested on a sandbag on a bench, while seated, with the revolver held as steadily as I could manage without a Ransom and thumb-cocked every time.
I've corresponded with Eric and I think I'll try the 15 front sight. I don't like Patridge sights, the fiber optics may be more visible but do not appeal to me aesthetically, and I am a hidebound traditionalist by nature, so a ramp front it shall be.
More on this breaking story as it develops. Stay tuned!
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RamblerReb 14-2 Shooting High
After developing many loads for my 15-2, I discovered the faster loads impacted lower than the slower ones with the rear sight at the same setting. The variation was sometimes more than 24" at 25 yds.
148 gr at 750 fps vs. 125 gr at 1450 fps
I was puzzled by this for nearly two years until I read an article about barrel time. Sorry I forgot the source. I'll try to find it.
158 gr LSWHP w/ 5.0 Unique is going about 900 fps.
Compare that to a 110 gr or 125 gr magnum (1400-1700 fps) and you will likely see the fast ones go low.
Slower bullets spend more time in the barrel. This is more pronounced in handguns than rifles. Recoil affects muzzle climb more.
This is confirmed to me by similar results with a 14" Contender with loads of varying velocities and the same bullet.
A front sight tailored to your favorite load could be in order.
Be safe,
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