
March 15, 2011

Hey guy's, I just bought a decent DW 8" 44mag - V8 in blue ( shiny black ) . from 357 who posts here.
A few questions: Is obtaining an un-fluted cylinder for it a holy grail a dream, or a reasonably possible reality ?
Can it ingest & express Garrett ultra magnum 330 grain Hammer-Head P+'s or is that monster round only for the ultra mag's with super long cylinders ?
I shot it yesterday and now remember why I loved my DW357 so much in the late 80's, man -o-man that trigger is nice , using Hornady Leverlutions it has less kick than most 357's
regards


Dans Club
March 2, 2008

DW/CZ is probably your only source for that. Contact them directly at the Norwich, NY facility, rather than trying to go thru CZ
I have no personal knowledge about the ammunition you're asking about. If it is .44 Magnum ammo it should be OK, the DW Large Frame revolver is pretty stout.
BTW-I edited the Topic title from "unfluted barrel" to cylinder, just for clarity purposes
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May 2, 2009

This is from Randy's website--
I received a Ruger S/A 44 magnum Hunter back about a year or more ago.... and had no real commercial control ammo for a baseline in testing the gun, testing my handloads, and normal mass produced commercial ammo in it... Randy came to the rescue with his very fine 310 grain 44 mag/Hammerheads.
Both the 330 grain and the 310 grain have .320 meplats. This ammo has taken nearly all the large game animals in North America from Texas thru Canada up thru Alaska. It is noted that on a frontal chest shot on a boar grizzly the 330 grain load and ‘SuperHardCast’ bullet penetrates all the way back to the hips. And with that broad flat meplat the damage must be extensive. The 330 gain 44s are for guns like Ruger’s Redhawk and such. The 310s are for the other guns listed right on the ammo’s yellow plastic boxes of 50. It is the pressure and the length of the loaded round in the 330 that precludes it from the smaller guns. Randy in his advertising states also that in rifles the 330 grainer is too long to cycle in the leverguns... generally true but I have a 92 (Legacy) and a Winchester 94 that will cycle them.... I have others that won’t...
Taking the Hunter and ½ a dozen different 44 magnum handloads, and five different commercial ammo types plus the Garrett Hammerheads to the range on a cool February day for testing, I came away shaking my head, I didn’t expect the kind of accuracy I got from the Garrett loads.
But first off with a new gun it needs to be broken in a bit.... I ran 50 or so of my rounds thru it, to set the Ruger open sights, and then another fifty or so to sight in the Simmons handgun scope, and to settle in the new gun. I started with a new Tasco scope but it couldn’t stand the pleasure of the recoil of my handloads.... this is unusual because I have Tasco scopes that date all the way back to the 1970s. And have never before had this kind of failure with them...
The Ruger S/A Hunter has a barrel rib that takes Ruger scope rings which came with the gun.... And this allows the quick removal of the scope to use the open sights... then returning the scope with no change in point of impact (poi). Simply using a penny to tighten and untighten the rings, because they are well designed.
After the 100 or so rounds, I figured the Ruger was settled in enough to start accuracy testing of loads... and I shot a 5 shot Garrett 310 grain control group off a handgun rest on the range bench. A gun rest called the Paco/Taffin gun rest.... at 25 yards +. Of course friend John Taffin calls it the Taffin/Paco gun rest. It is simply a tightly rolled up hunk of carpet... it tends to take the recoil of the gun with out the usual bounce you get from solid rests. At twenty five yards the five 310 grain Garrett Hammerheads went into one ragged hole 6/10ths of an inch. This was with the scope.... With apologies to Randy, I knew this was a fluke... so I fired another test group... swallowed hard and then another... and I had three ragged holes in the target.... None of the rest of the loads I fired that day could match the accuracy of those 310 grain Hammerheads.
Thinking it could be that the Ruger just liked the Garrett ammo, that happens with guns and ammo sometimes. You find one load that just performs like a show pony, in one certain gun. So I broke out my 5 inch S&W model 29, 44 magnum. This is an older nickeled version, it was a trade/gift from John Taffin. I usually keep this gun and it’s loads set for personal security, woods walking, and close range predator elimination. The normal load for this gun, Cast Perfection 280 grain hard cast bullets over 18 grains of 2400. A medium load with much power. Rarely do I put higher pressures than that thru this fine old S&W. But for testing verification, I put five 310 grain Garrett hammerheads thru it... bingo 3/4s of an inch at 25 yards. I broke out my Son’s 1892 44 magnum rifle... five rounds under an inch and a half at 75 yards. With that’s with my old eyes, and less than acceptable (for me), original open sites.
I have since tested the other 44 magnum load (330 grain) that Randy offers and have found them to be of the same quality as the 310s. I think everyone that owns and reveres the 44 magnum and hunts with it, should have two boxes of Garrett’s 44 magnums on his shelf. You have to see what a Hammerhead 310/44 mag will do when it punches through a feral pig or black bear, to believe it. They are designed for deer to elk in weight and power. The 330 grainers are designed for larger game like moose, the big bears, and such....
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March 15, 2011

Blacktop said:
How many hot rounds are you thinking about putting through the 44 ?
A few hundred should be fine, a few thousand…well let us know how it goes.
Don't think you will find a lone unfluted cylinder easily, but you never know
what comes up on the auctions or shows.
-Blacktop
Reply to all so far: 1st, OOPS, ya cylinder not barrel, thanks for changing the headline, lol.
2nd, The want for a non fluted 6-jug is only cosmetic not functional.
3rd, Not many rounds really as I am happy with Hornady Leverlutions as they are so fast yet mild, I only just want to have six BIG bear- whopper bruin stopper / Hammer heads on hand if in BIG bear country, as I am confused as to the over all length of the P+ 330 gr Hammer heads vs my standard DW 44mag cylinder.
4rd , Thanks for the reprint of the Garrett test, as I also have a fancy grade Winchester lightweight 1886 in 45-70 ( new un-shot in the box ) and Garrett makes +P 45-70 Hammerheads for it too, and I dont want to buy a box for each weapon and end up stuck with $200+ worth of non functioning ammo.
regards

September 28, 2008

I bid on, and lost out on, a blued .44 unfluted cylinder on an auction a couple years ago, before I even had a .44 mag! The price got totally insane, almost as much as I paid for my entire gun about 6 months later, $405! I stopped at $200, and that was way too high for just a "neat look".
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