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8 inch 741 learning curve
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Limapapa
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February 3, 2023 - 6:44 pm
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So I just got an 8 inch  NOS Monson 741 VH dating from about 1984.  In the box with hang tag, wrench packet and manual.  Appeared to be unfired. So much bigger than my 15-2 VH that it takes your breath away.  I screwed in the barrel and set the gap at about .004.  Only about .002 of cylinder end play.  At any rate, first thing I noticed was that the forcing cone had not been properly finished, barely touched the lands, and had a huge machine tool groove going all the way around right where it touched the lands.  Not good.  I ordered an 11 degree reamer kit from 4D Rentals, it got here in two days, and it took me about 30 minutes to get it all set up and properly reamed.  I highly recommend both the kit and the supplier.  Next, I pin gauged the chambers and slugged the bore, and all were OK at .410 for the chambers and .409 for the bore.  Then I  slid some empty cases with .060 rims in the cylinder to check for headspace.  Uh oh.  Wouldnt close on any of the chambers, and no light visible between the recoil shield and cartridge cases.  Opened it up and lo and behold the firing pin bushing was proud of the recoil shield by about .002, just enough to rub on the back of the cartridge rims and prevent closing or rotation of the cylinder.  Appeared to be a very tight interference fit in the frame, so I decided against trying to tap it further in.  Instead, out came the small triangle file and I carefully dressed the face of the bushing until it was almost flush with the frame.  I'd say I took off maybe 1 1/2 thousandths. You could just feel the edge of it with your fingernail.  At any rate, I tried the fired cases again and it worked.  Closed on each chamber and rotated through without interference.  A feeler gauge showed .002 clearance behind the cartridge heads.  So, I took it to the range and shot about 25 rounds of several different cast handloads I'd worked up for my RBH 41.  All functioned well and were as accurate as my old eyes would let them.  I took the gun home and cleaned it gently and what did I see?  The firing pin bushing had been driven back in the frame by about .001, so that it was now just barely below the face of the recoil shield.  Guess I should have tried tapping the bushing back before resorting to the file!

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.  Measure twice and cut once is a lifetime lesson that has to be refreshed periodically, at least with me.  I would be interested to know if anybody else has experienced a similar thing with the bushing. My 15-2 doesnt have one. I'm not so worried about the forcing cone because all it takes is a guy in a hurry to get home that didnt finish up or inspect his work, and was easily fixable.  I look forward to getting a set of fiber optic sights for my old eyes and seeing what kind of group I can print.  Hope all of you are doing well and enjoying your revolvers.  Thanks in advance for any input.

 

Mike  

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Pics are a necessity, if we can't see it, it isn't real. LOL!!!!laugh

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You did everything I would have done.  Don't sweat the low bushing- it shouldn't have an effect on anything. I use a FO front sight on the hunting revolvers- I pick up the green in the woods very easily.  Red, not so much.

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I'll get pics out shortly.  Thanks for the help all.  

Mike

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Sounds like you're an old hand at making things work, me too most of the time. Congrats to your success at gunsmithing on this one.occasion

Looking forward to some cool-pics of this sweet 741! drool

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Here are the pics I promised.  First two are the stock frame out of the box, next three  are the HiViz rear sight installation I just finished using the Ruger Revolver Rear Sight, and the next is  the dressed down firing pin bushing described above. The next is the 8 inch barrel and shroud in the box, and the last is the 11degree forcing cone I cut with the rented Brownell's reamer from 4Drentals.  For anybody thinking of doing the sight installation, be advised that while the sight itself fits the frame perfectly, and the roll pin and elevation screw holes do line up, the elevation screw hole is too small.  I had to enlarge it with a 9/64 drill so that the screw would slip through it without engaging the threads until it reached  the hole in the frame where it is supposed to engage.  I also had to enlarge the two spring seating holes in the underside of the sight to 5/32  because they were originally too small to seat the springs that came with the DW sight. So, as I learned in my old motorcycle riding days, there is no such thing as a bolt on goodie. I have a HiViz Ruger front sight insert on the way, so will see if it fits in the DW slot (with only minor mods).  Hope so.  Take care all.        Mike

 

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Wow, very nice!!!!!!

Almost every part needs a little smithing.

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Thanks all.  Glad to know all those DW's have a good home.  Sort of like my Parker shotguns. A man's got to know his limitations!DSCF5119.jpgImage Enlarger

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Love the Parkers!

I've recently gotten back into trap shooting and with it shotguns.

My dad passed away in November and I acquired his shotguns, including a couple old Springfield J. Steven's side by sides from the 1930s. Not up there with Parker by any means but they are special to me because they were my dad's.  I've spent a few evenings cleaning and restoring them, polisging the   actions.  Last week I shot a full round of trap with a 28" 12ga.  SXS and did much better than I expected.  It was my first time with a SxS.  

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Did you use a HiViz or DW sight on the barrel?  

Thanks

Steve

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KurtB said
Sweet!  Not familiar with Parker.

  

Me either, new to me. They sure are elegant looking guns, I'm gonna have to keep an eye out for one now. smile

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