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January 22, 2008
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Becoming a picture heavy thread 
The first two pictures came out looking good 
January 22, 2008
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But wait, there's more 
A very well used Weaver rail.
October 13, 2009
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To cover some stuff-
DWF Markings-very interesting idea….couple things…Would it be a problem with CZ? Would people be wondering what the F is for? What about getting permission to use the logo? 
And on the same note, should they be marked PPC or Action Cup or something else?
That is definately a thought with the Weaver/Picatinny Rail! I would think that would work great for the action Cup Version…the PPC I would have the Aristocrat style sight on it so if we made it the rail machined into the shroud that would limit that option. Could make both, but once you got the rail version, you wouldn't be able to convert to PPC unless you ground it off or something.
Re. 4″ .445 version, I think it would be cool! Who's up for one to go with your hockey mask? 
I never shot a .445, so I can't relate entirely. 🙂 I'm down for different materials and designs, titanium should be okay, the little bit I have worked with it has been a positive experience.
GG, Good call, we should be okay, does anyone know when the DW PPC/action cup came out? If there happened to be a design patent on it, I believe its for 14 years. So that would put us at about 1995. If it came out before that, we're okay!
Yes, I think it would be nice to blend the shroud to match the frame more. What I'm thinking is prehaps the last 1/4″ or so would be tapered to match the frame. Would that seem good to you guys?
Wayne, Wow!!!! Thanks so much for posting the dimensions and pictures-that helps out a bunch! PM on the way to ya' 
Eric
January 22, 2008
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EWK_Stuff said:
To cover some stuff-
DWF Markings-very interesting idea….couple things…Would it be a problem with CZ? Would people be wondering what the F is for? What about getting permission to use the logo?
Hey Eric,
I think it's going to be pretty easy for you to get permission to the use the 
logo since I own the site (I'm open to discounts on products as well ). The DWF is not associated with CZ \ Dan Wesson. Obviously the DWF logo is only going to mean something to the guys who make the DWF what it is. So once you have a product I would suggest making that an option for us here.
The Action Cup Wayne has pictured above is a Monson gun so the latest it would have been manufactured is 1992 but I would bet it was even prior to that. (Wayne thanks for provided the detailed pictures and measurements!)
Based on Wayne's measurements I think the taper to match the frame should start at the .6500" mark similar step down on the original.
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January 24, 2009
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EWK_Stuff said:
Yes, I think it would be nice to blend the shroud to match the frame more. What I'm thinking is prehaps the last 1/4″ or so would be tapered to match the frame. Would that seem good to you guys?
That's the same picture I had in my head, too. I bet it would look pretty good.
Wayne, those are some 
thanks for posting those!
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March 2, 2008
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Just to throw my $.02 here, I don't really have an interest in a PPC/Action Cup shroud. I would like to see something that I would call an EH shroud, Extra Heavy with a more substantial underlug that the VH, but not to the level of the PPC/AC. Maybe available in Vented (EHV) and Weaver (EHW). If the underlug was about 50% deeper, but still a profile that complements the frame?
I buy this in 4EHV and 6EHW in a heartbeat, and of course Stainless AND Blue. A modern, unique look for DW revolvers.
I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.
George Carlin
January 22, 2008
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IIRC the Blue Book of Gun Values shows the PPC and Action Cup were produced in 1992. So any shroud design patent should have dropped off by now (iff'nthere ever was one). I do caution if the "DW" inside the flying bullet has a copyright. Action Cup was an NRA competition.
How about a shroud the size of the PPC but with the bottom hollowed out to resemble a bridge truss 
January 22, 2008
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January 24, 2009
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+2! 
Those sound like...
October 13, 2009
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Hey Jody, Good deal-thanks so much for the info! I'm going to be in touch with you about using the DWF logo. 🙂
That's a great idea on the EH shroud! What would you guys suggest for the height of it? To cover the entire "rounded" portion on the frame that mates with the shroud, it going to be the same width as the PPC shrouds. (About 1.550")
Thanks!
Eric
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March 2, 2008
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I'd just like to see a more sunstantial underlug, not to the extent of the PPC. I'll do some measuring and visualizing tomorrow, but I'm seeing the underlug about 50% "deeper" than original, and (maybe) a shallow "V" groove on both sides spaced slighly up from the bottom, and running about 95% of the shroud length. I think that would be a unique and classy touch, still DW, but different enough to be new.
Eric's gonna be BUSY 
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George Carlin
October 13, 2009
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Eric's gonna be BUSY
Lol, Bring it on!!! Those are great thoughts, looking forward to see what the addtional designing brings to mind!!!
Eric
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March 2, 2008
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I took a close look at a 715 today and did some rough measuring. On mine the flat underlung seems to be about 13/32", and 3/32's more would drop the lower (radiused) profile of the underlug exactly to the point where the frame "cuts back" a little and rolls down to the crane mounting. I wonder why the Heavy barrel was not originally made just slightly deeper to make that a cleaner transition, without that 3/32" bump. I never really noticed that before, but IMO that would make a much cleaner look.
I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.
George Carlin
October 13, 2009
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Hmm, On the two model 15's (.22 and .357, adjustable rear sights) I have it looks like its about twice the amount (about .200") the shroud would need to be to meet the transition on the frame. What's the deal with 715, does it have a different shround on it than the 15-2's? (I believe the models I have) I thought the heavy underlug shrouds were just like the light shrouds, only the bottom lug continued out for the full length?
Eric
January 22, 2008
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Eric,
The shrouds for the Model 15-2 and 715 should be identical except one is blued and one is stainless. And you are correct on the difference between the VH (Vent Heavy) and V (Vented) shrouds.
Jody
October 13, 2009
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Thanks Jody, that would make sense there!
Okay Steve, so what's going on with yours? Looks like its 1.30" top to bottom on the shrouds I have...what's it on yours???
Eric
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March 2, 2008
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I'll do some measuring in the next couple days, but I'm a tape measure guy, I guess it's time for a Digital Electronic caliper (Cabela's IS just up the road from work )
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George Carlin
October 13, 2009
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No hurry, you can pickup those Chinese calipers off of ebay for much less than at Cabela's-but if you're going to upgrade from the tape measure, why not go all the way and spend a few bucks more than Cabela's and get professional grade?
http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=610-0045
If you decide to go with those, let me know and I'll see if I can find a free shipping coupon for 'ya!
But either way don't blame me for having to buy them! (Even though that's the case!)
Eric
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May 2, 2009
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Hit the pawn shops! they are full of machinist tools cheap . Most of my Starrett and B&S came from pawn.
SHOOT
July 5, 2009
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Better yet, if you follow the "Made in China" path, you can drop by your local Harbor Freight Tool Store. That way you do not have to wait on shipping. However, I cannot assure you that the caliper will be accurate or measure consistently. 
GG
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