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January 26, 2017
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I have a model 22 (.22 LR) and the star extractor will not (spring) return and it spins in the cylinder. Looking at exploded views it appears that most model 22's have a "flying saucer" shaped opening in the cylinder with the extractor having a matching shape. Mine does not. It's similar to a S&W with a groove along the length of the side but there is nothing for thast groove to fit over to hold it in alignment and the extractor spring comes out with (under) the star. There's nothing for it to bear against to cause spring return.
SOOooo. does anyone know what is missing/broken? I am wondering if there is supposed to be a press-fit bushing in the recess of the rear of the cylinder where the star fits? That would hold the spring in but wouldn't help with alignment
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March 25, 2013
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Captain Bob, did this just happen or did you buy the gun like that? There is a bushing that fits in the rear of the cylinder and fits in that groove. It is held in by a short roll pin that fits in a hole drilled in the cylinder and locks the bushing in place. Is it possible to take pictures of it. Snake-eye can fix you up with a roll pin if it has come out. If you are missing the bushing, he has that too. As long as the hole has been drilled it can be easily fixed. If there is no hole in the cylinder to insert the pin than I would send it to Dan Wesson to be fixed.
January 26, 2017
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Hey Ole Dog, thanks for the quick reply. I just got this gun, knowing of the problem & thinking it would be an easy fix...
Anyway, I removed the extractor and, when it was apart and thanks to your tips, I realized that the bushing (that was held up against the extractor by the spring when all was assembled) is NOT part of the extractor as I thought. Rather, it is the bushing that you were talking about that aligns the extractor to the cylinder. It fits into the rear of the cylinder BUT the tiny roll pin is apparently sheared off. I never would have known that this was a roll pin if you hadn't told me. Every "exploded view" that I looked at did not show this bushing and pin.
Anyway, I have no clue as to how to get that broken piece of roll pin out of the cylinder. I may have to send it to Norwalk for repair... 🙁
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December 5, 2008
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There is a 22 cylinder and extractor on eBay for $99 that might be a good solution. Then you would have the leisure to figure out how to get the rest of the pin out. Probably will have to be drilled out, unless it could be pushed out from the inside, but I doubt that will work. I have not checked to see if that is even possible.
January 26, 2017
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99 bucks might actually be cheaper than repair BUT, with a new extractor, the timing could well be off enough to cause chamber-to-barrel misalignment.
I'm guessing that the old roll pin will have to be abandoned and a new hole through the bushing on into the cylinder will have to be drilled and then a new roll pin inserted.
I'm gonna check on Monday to see the cost....
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December 5, 2008
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If you use the extractor star you currently have with the new cylinder the timing will not be changed.
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March 25, 2013
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I would think that a local gunsmith could drill out the pin. A drill press would be best. You could just send the cylinder to Dan Wesson and have them do it. No big shipping expense as it is just a part. Captain, you have been a busy man. Have you heard of Dan Wesson Acquisition Syndrome, or DWAS for short. Let's see some pictures. Or not. Welcome to the forum.
January 26, 2017
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Thanks for the welcome. I spoke to Bob at Dan Wesson repair. He knew of this problem and said it's an easy fix.
Don't need to remove the roll pin. Just clean the bushing seat and the bushing to remove oil; Add some red Loctite and press (or tap) in the bushing. With a pin punch, spread the top of the pin slightly (stake it in) and it should hold for years, he said...
Of course (as Al Bundy used to say) while that sounds easy, NOW I can't get the durn extractor rod unscrewed! I tried a piece of rubber tubing over it and grabbing with Vise-grips-nope. I tried squeezing it in a full-size vise with padded jaws-nope.
Not I have it soaking with "PB Blaster". If you haven't heard of that stuff, it's like WD-40 or Kroil only MUCH better. Used that to loosen wing bolts on a Cessna that had been in place for well over 50 years when everything, including an air hammer failed. It's now my favorite "screw-loosener" (is that a word?).
I'm letting it soak overnight and will try again tomorrow. Of course I'm open to suggestion from experienced forum folks.
January 26, 2017
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Well, PB Blaster did it again! After soaking overnight it only took a minor effort to get that pesky ejector rod to unscrew. I LOVE that stuff!
With that unscrewed I got the cylinder parts out, took the sideplate off and removed the cylinder. Cleaned the bushing and cylinder recess, added a light coat of Loctite and pressed the bushing in (went in easy). Tapped the roll pin with a pin punch a few times to spread it a bit as "Newport Bob" said to do.
A few hours later I assembled everything and test fired it... perfect extraction!
Learned a lot about this revolver.
Now I need a .357 DW.
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February 22, 2009
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Captain Bob said Now I need a .357 DW.
And so it begins....
Technically, the glass is always full; half liquid, half air....
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March 25, 2013
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First a shooter, then a NIB, then extra BAs. Next, a pistol pack. A couple of porkchops also. Then on to stainless. Uh, there is a whole world of large frames and supermags. As the Grateful Dead sang, what a long strange trip it's been. Keep on trucking.
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December 5, 2008
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Gotta love it when a plan comes together!
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