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I tagged this onto a WTB thread I started but I think it was not the correct procedure as It does not seem to get much exposure.

I need the front sight height measurement on a HS Sentinel MK111 with a 3.75 inch barrel.  Will someone with a stock Sentinel MK111 please measure the front sight height for me?

I have included two photos to show exactly what I need.  First is a photo of a DW  3.75 inch porker internal barrel nut shroud that I believe is from a model DW 15.  Because a HS Sentinel MK111 shroud is virtually impossible to find I will be using this DW shroud on my HS.  Obviously the front sight will need to be changed.  As can be seen in the photo it measures 3/8 inch tall.

Second photo is of my HS Sentinel MK11 3.75 inch barrel.   It is 3/16 inch tall.  This sight on the service model would be too short for the Sentinel MK 111.   So I figure that the stock HS Sentinel MK111 sight is somewhere between the two in the photos.  ( 3/16 - 3/8 inch tall ).

I include the photos to show exactly what dimension I am seeking.

Thank you to anyone who can help me out,  DD

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Thread title should have been " front sight measurement please" I cannot seem to find a way to change the title.

Darn predictive text on the tablet thinks it knows what I am thinking.

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Well,  is there anyone that is willing to measure the front sight height on their DW 4 inch model 15-2?

That will not be the same as the HS but it might at least give me a starting point as it will be from a revolver with both rear and front sight as opposed to the fixed rear sight on the service models .

 

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I tagged this onto a WTB thread I started but I think it was not the correct procedure as It does not seem to get much exposure.

I need the front sight height measurement on a HS Sentinel MK111 with a 3.75 inch barrel.  Will someone with a stock Sentinel MK111 please measure the front sight height for me?

I have included two photos to show exactly what I need.  First is a photo of a DW  3.75 inch porker internal barrel nut shroud that I believe is from a model DW 15,  possibly a DW model 15-1.  Because a HS Sentinel MK111 shroud is virtually impossible to find I will be using this DW shroud on my HS.  Obviously the front sight will need to be changed.  As can be seen in the photo it measures 3/8 inch tall.

Second photo is of my HS Sentinel MK11 3.75 inch barrel.   It is 3/16 inch tall.  This sight on the service model would be too short for the Sentinel MK 111.   So I figure that the stock HS Sentinel MK111 sight is somewhere between the two in the photos.  ( 3/16 - 3/8 inch tall ).

I include the photos to show exactly what dimension I am seeking.

Thank you to anyone who can help me out,  DD  

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Hey, DD...sorry you haven't gotten your answer yet. Maybe it's because of the busy season? I can't personally help, but I have two suggestions...one, contact Eric at EWK Arms over there in the margin ======>. He would be knowledgeable about DW sights I would bet.

Two there is at this moment a HS Sentinel MK III up for sale on GB...contact the seller and maybe he can help you out.

Best I can do.

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Hey, DD...sorry you haven't gotten your answer yet. Maybe it's because of the busy season? I can't personally help, but I have two suggestions...one, contact Eric at EWK Arms over there in the margin ======>. He would be knowledgeable about DW sights I would bet.

Two there is at this moment a HS Sentinel MK III up for sale on GB...contact the seller and maybe he can help you out.

Best I can do.  

Thanks Rimfire,

Yes it is a busy time of year. And I am totally understanding of that.  Plus the mis titled thread probably isn't helping any.

I saw the one on Gunbroker and tried what you suggest already.  No response as of yet.

I have done some business with Erik.  Nice man.  In fact that is where I got the barrel I am using in the DW shroud on the HS.  Erik does not seem to have a lot of data on the High Standards.

Thank you for the suggestions.

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Looking at your first pic, it appears that is most likely a Model 15, due to the height. The Sentinels are 14-1 & 15-1 guns. Due to my logistics situation for a couple weeks, I am not able to send you the first hand measurement info your are requesting. However, click on this pic & it blows up nice-n-big, showing a shorter front sight...the rear is unique too.wink

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Thank you chargerfan,

Yes I agree that the DW shroud I am using is more likely a model 15 over a model 15-1.  The upslope on the front sight is quite steep and it is tall to say the least.  I am aware that the HS Sentinels equate to DW 14-1 and 15-1 .  Also the rear sight on the HS MK111 is different than the DW 15-1.  ( sits a tad lower I believe. )  All of this equates to the front sight on a HS MK111 being unique from others.  Hence my search for an accurate measurement.

What I did do was blow your photo up and used my rule against the computer screen to measure the distance from where the shroud transitions to the sight base ( top strap if you prefer.  The section the pin passes through. ) to the top of the sight base. Then I measured from the top of the sight base to the top of the sight.  Now I cannot say this was as accurate as something that could be done hands on at a machinists bench, but it is what I have to work with at this point in time.

As the photo was enlarged these two measurements should have enlarged in a proportional manner to each other.

Sight base measured 1/4 inch in the blow up.  Sight measured 1/2 inch from top of sight base to top of sight.  I say again these measurements made on the computer screen may very well be 1/32 inch off.  So the sight measurement is X2 the sight base measurement.

I know that on my two HS's the sight base measures 5/32 inch from where it meets the shroud body to the top of the base that the sight sits in.  5/32 X2 =10/32 =5/16 inch.  My original estimate from eyeballing was that I would be in the 1/4 inch area for the front sight height.  Certainly 5/16 inch  falls between the 3/16" of the MK11 and the 3/8 inch on the DW model 15.  5/16 is just 1/16 of an inch greater than my 1/4 inch estimate, so perhaps I have made some progress.

Sometime in the future when you have your HS MK111 in hand a measurement would be much appreciated.  I will be curious how close my rather unorthodox method using your photo on my computer screen comes to a real life measurement.

Good news is I understand that a replaceable 15-2 sight will in fact fit the slot in the porker shroud.  It just has to be drilled and pinned.  I think there is a 15-2 sight available in .250".  Heck,  I could even go fiber optic if I wanted to.

Anyway, thank you for the photo.  I will be curious to see what an actual measurement reveals.

DD

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With the Holidays past and perhaps the cold weather holding many inside tidying up their safes,  anyone who could make the front sight height measurement on their HS Sentinel MK111?

I am curious as to how accurate my rather unorthodox method described in the post just above this one is and would like to confirm or repudiate the results.

Thanks, DD

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My MK III measures 5/16" using a tape measure.  Using digital calipers looks like .286" at its highest.

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My MK III measures 5/16" using a tape measure.  Using digital calipers looks like .286" at its highest.  

Thank you for taking the time to get the measurement,  I very much appreciate it.

Looks like my crude computer screen measurement was pretty close at 5/16.  

.286 is closer to 1/4" ( .250 ) than is  5/16  ( .3125 ).  Looks like .250 would be a good starting point.  Certainly much better than the 3/8" ( .375 ) that is presently installed.  

Thanks again.

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The .268 measurement is the more accurate one I made.  Just wanted to show the difference between reading a scale and using a caliper.

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The .268 measurement is the more accurate one I made.  Just wanted to show the difference between reading a scale and using a caliper.  

Thanks for the attempt at precision.

Please clarify. Was it .286" (post #9) or .268" (post #11)?  .268" is even closer to my 1/4 " (.250") guess.

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SCORPIO said
286, sorry for the transposition.  

LOL   wink

No problem, much appreciate the help.

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