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April 4, 2023 - 10:26 am
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Hello!

 

New the group and looking at purchasing a Model 14 in mint condition with original box. However, I'm having a rough time putting a price on it due to not being able to find much info about what it actually is.

Model 14 .38/357

5-3/4 barrel satin blue

Serial # 33706

Also another number sticker on the box of 516216

 

Any help or info about this revolver would be greatly appreciated! 

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Why a 14 and not a 15-2? The 15-2 is the same gun but with refinements the older 14 had only left to right adjustment on the site not up and down. Also if it's a 14 and not a 14-2 it's a porkchop not a Dan Wesson you want! I sent you a private message also I just listed a couple of Dan Wessons under Classifieds take a look! 

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April 4, 2023 - 12:43 pm
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Stmstan 445 said
Why a 14 and not a 15-2? The 15-2 is the same gun but with refinements the older 14 had only left to right adjustment on the site not up and down. Also if it's a 14 and not a 14-2 it's a porkchop not a Dan Wesson you want! I sent you a private message also I just listed a couple of Dan Wessons under Classifieds take a look! 

  

Just curious why is a pre -2 Dan Wesson "not a Dan Wesson you want"?

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There just aren't popular porkchops don't sell well and I find most people want the gun that has all the refinements. If you like them great but just by the way they do not sell very well It tells me people prefer the non porkchop models with adjustable sites. I see porkchops relisted time and time again on GB it's a small minority that wants one. I guess if you're building a collection and want every model yes I can see it but if it's your first Dan Wesson the non porkchop models with double adjustable sites in my opinion is the gun to buy. After the 14-2 and 15-2 the gun did not change at all for many years that tells me they finally got it right! 

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April 4, 2023 - 5:23 pm
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Slow down Stan. We are still not sure what he's looking at. Lots of people misquote the model number.

A Model 14, 14-1 and 14-2 are all fixed sight, without any adjustment.

Pics would help determine a lot of things.

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I will leave it up to you guys. I was just putting my 2 cents worth in and yes I have a couple of guns for sale. The expertise of the people here is fantastic. I have only been a member for 2 weeks and every day I learn something else. I keep going back thru stuff that's 15 years old and reading all kinds of stuff. You see what I just put up if you think it would be a better deal for him then let him know that's all I ask. Last thing I want is for people here thinking i'm just trying to sell him a gun after he comes to this site looking for advice. I do dislike pork chops though, always have plus they don't have bull barrels. What you said is true also I did not really understand the difference between model numbers until I started reading here at this site. I thought all pork chops were models 11 & 12 and did not know about the sights either. Stan Phoenix, AZ!

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Why the cold shoulder for W12's??????  Mine shoots lights out!!!

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Don't know why the upload process flips my pics to the right????

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Everybody has opinions and other attributes. So, I will give you mine. As Stinger says, there are 14,14-1 porkchops. Also model 11s. Those are fixed sight guns. The 11 (up to serial number 10,000), 14 (up to serial  number ~25,000), and the unofficial 14-1(up to Ser number 50,000).The Adjustible sight models are 12,15 and 15-1. There are also 38 Special model 8 and 9. They are absolutely identical except only chamber 38 Spec. They are all called porkchops.

   Are the later, more attractive - 2s better? They are better looking for sure. But in my opinion they are not as robust and perhaps not as accurate. Let's look at the 11 and 12. Exterior 12 sided nut was odd looking but the reputation for accuracy was established by those guns. Early gun articles claimed the barrels were choked by a thousandth of an inch like a Python. I cannot verify that but later - 2s were definately not. The shroud and front sight were located by a nipple on the crane that fit into a dimple on the shroud porkchop extension. The - 2s have a roll pin in a hole in the frame that fits into a hole in the shroud. Because of the longer radius of the locating pin/nipple of a porkchop I believe it  lends itself to more accuracy. A other attribute is that when the shroud is off the cylinder assemble slides right off for easy cleaning. No side plate removal is necessary.

  The models 11 and 14 have rear sights that are drift adjustable. The 14-1 has a cut in the top strap as does the 14-2. The 11 and 14 have correspondingly taller front sights. I like that. The low front sight on the 14-1 and 14-2  is not easily  visible.

  Okay, that is the visual difference. As far as mechanical, the 11 and 12 have a hand spring that wraps around the hand and it rubs against the sideplate, leading to failure. Later models have a slot in the hand that the spring fits into. If you have an 11 or 12 I would replace the hand and spring with the later version. The 14 and 15 have the modern type. When DW debuted, it had the fastest hammer fall of any  revolver. There was a problem with light strikes. Starting around serial number 25,000 ( by the way, the 6 digit number on the box is meaningless. Probably a dealers stock number),DW changed the trigger  by creating a tiny ledge on the trigger where the trigger spring contacted the trigger. Maybe a 1/16" ledge but it lengthened the hammer fall(and power) by about 1/4". The shorter hammer fall of the of the prior model meant more accuracy. Manurhins have also an extremely short hammer fall and are considered perhaps the most accurate production revolver made. Of course, Dans, Registered Magnums, Korths and others are also so reputed. Other features such as front lockup and barrel and shroud also contribute to accuracy.

  I have well over 150 Dans of most models,including many porkchops. I wish - 2s were as robust and accurate as the porkchops. As long as folks keep keep spurning them I will keep  buying them for a discount. Although my DWAS is somewhat in remission. I have embraced other makes.  Mulhouse Manurhins, Prewar Smiths, and my new love affair, Scandium N frame and 32 mag S&Ws.

 So CT, jump on the 14 before someone snaps it up. Before you buy any more Barrel assemblies be aware that you want 14-1 shrouds. The earlier shrouds will not shoot to point of aim. Check back here before buying any. 

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🙂 I must confess, I knew my post #3 would surely promote some discussion.  I certainly am glad it did.

Just confirms my love for my porkers.  I love them for all the reasons Ole Dog points out.   And, they are not even DW!

Now, if only I could find a model 8 or 9.  I have wanted a .38 caliber only for quite some time and I would prefer DW over S&W.

Everyone be safe and say a little prayer  for the Republic!

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I must apologize to all the pork chop fans I had no idea there were so many! I assumed that they were not popular due to lower prices and lack of sales but I guess that's a good thing if you like them you can get good deals. I found this magazine tonight on ebay and snapped it up. I will take better pics of it when I get it in the mail but it's dated June 1969 when I was 8 years old. I believe that's Wesson in the pics. I can't read anything yet but when I get it in the mail look forward to reading the article. IMG_0617.JPGImage Enlarger

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Stmstan 445 said
I found this magazine tonight on ebay and snapped it up. I will take better pics of it when I get it in the mail but it's dated June 1969 when I was 8 years old. I believe that's Wesson in the pics. I can't read anything yet but when I get it in the mail look forward to reading the article. 

Sweet, that will be interesting reading. If you like DW history, research a guy named Karl Lewis.

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OK pork chop guys I found this gun on a site it's been there for a while The gun says its a model 12 early pistol pac the sticker on box says model 15 but the serial number is correct on box they explain they think it was in 1969 and they had just started making 15,s so the gun is clearly a 12 says on side of gun. I never seen a early pistol pac box like this 3 barrels they want $1650 It seems a little high Your 

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It is not the original box and likely not the original barrel assemblies. There is no exterior nut and the barrel tubes are 1/4" shorter than a 12. The seller knows nothing and it is not a pistol pack. The suitcase and inleted grip blank are missing and the tool should be the 12 sided wrench. The gun and BAs are worth no more than $1000 IMHO. 

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Stmstan 445 said
I must apologize to all the pork chop fans I had no idea there were so many! I assumed that they were not popular due to lower prices and lack of sales but I guess that's a good thing if you like them you can get good deals. I found this magazine tonight on ebay and snapped it up. I will take better pics of it when I get it in the mail but it's dated June 1969 when I was 8 years old. I believe that's Wesson in the pics. I can't read anything yet but when I get it in the mail look forward to reading the article. 

  

I have that magazine. I believe it's one of the earliest articles written on the prototype DW. When you get yours, you will notice that the prototype gun was quite a bit different than the production 11's & 12's.

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Funny thing, while I was looking for the above magazine today, I ran across this one below. It clearly shows a pair of 11 & 12 that have been highly engraved, and were possibly early examples of the hunter series that became more popular a decade later, from American Historical Society. The ones here are a Bear & Elk. So I bought the magazine hoping for a great writeup on those guns, annnd...not a single word in the magazine about the guns on the front cover. screwy 

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Ole Dog said
It is not the original box and likely not the original barrel assemblies. There is no exterior nut and the barrel tubes are 1/4" shorter than a 12. The seller knows nothing and it is not a pistol pack. The suitcase and inleted grip blank are missing and the tool should be the 12 sided wrench. The gun and BAs are worth no more than $1000 IMHO. 

  

I agree, that Pac has been assembled from other incorrect BA's.

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I bought it on ebay a week ago. Still waiting for it to be delivered! OH WOW just looked at the second magazine your are right, an early hunter. how would you like to come across those 2 guns for sale. Talk about rare!

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