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January 15, 2011
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I've got an 8" 44VH. Love shooting this gun but after about 15-20 rounds, I'll notice the shroud has turned slightly and the gauge no longer fits. I've been cranking the barrel nut down fairly tight. Is this a typical problem? Thanks in advance.
Steve
February 11, 2010
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Shroud should not turn at all. Dose it have the index pin ? Mabe a new
barrel nut would help.
-Blacktop
January 15, 2011
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Just checked and the index pin is missing. Where could one be found? I have a 4" barrell that I don't intend to use much, could just remove that one I guess.
Steve
February 11, 2010
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Not sure if thats a part that can be bought through CZ or not. A little
brain storming and I bet you could find something around the garage to
make one with.
-Blacktop
January 15, 2011
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Many thanks Blacktop!
Steve
May 17, 2010
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The index pin is suppose to be fixed to the frame not to a shroud. If you have one in a shroud... then its the "missing" pin and needs to put back on the frame or more lieky replaced with a new "tight" one.
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February 11, 2010
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Pines right , it's called shroud locating pin. If the one in your 4 inch won't work and
you can't get one from CZ/DW you can get one here:
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Products.aspx?catid=1976
-Blacktop
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January 24, 2009
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That's right, the pin stays in the frame.
Having no pin to index the shroud, would easily explain why the barrel is turning on you.
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May 2, 2009
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Some of them fit tighter than others--I've had shrouds that felt like they were welded on and others that the pin slid in easily. That pin may be in the 4" shroud tighter than you expect.
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November 17, 2008
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I could be wrong but isn't the pin just a standard roll pin like you get at the hardware store. If so quicker, easier and cheaper than CZ/DW.
LB
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May 17, 2010
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lbruce said:
I could be wrong but isn't the pin just a standard roll pin like you get at the hardware store. If so quicker, easier and cheaper than CZ/DW.
LB
I am about 99% sure you are correct.
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January 15, 2011
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It measures .095, I'll try to find some.
Steve
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March 27, 2009
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If you need to part with the 4" let me know. All are right pin should stay with frame. After that is corrected I dont think you will see any more problem. You may want to snag another Nut from EWK just in case cranking that one down has stretched it. (just a thought)
February 18, 2009
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It isn't thermal expansion that's causing the gauge not to fit after firing a bunch of rounds, is it?
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November 17, 2008
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Can't say for sure but metal grows more than most folks realise when heated. Cylinder gap change can only be 3 things. moving parts, buildup, or heat expansion. I expect heat to be the most likely however it will return when the gun cools. I suspect heat has a lot to do with stuck barrels. Imagine someone shooting their DW until the barrel gets loose due to heating up, so they pull out their trusty barrel wrench and romp down on it while hot. Then the next time they try to remove the barrel nut the gun is cold and super tight. Just a theory and others may have better ideas.
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March 2, 2008
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BuffaloBill said:
It isn't thermal expansion that's causing the gauge not to fit after firing a bunch of rounds, is it?
Please remember that DW cylinder faces are not always square and consistent. You can gap on one chamber, and have problems with heat expansion causing a problem on a different chamber.
Best practice is to check gap on all chambers, set gap on the tightest one.
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January 8, 2011
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Blacktop said:
Not sure if thats a part that can be bought through CZ or not. A little
brain storming and I bet you could find something around the garage to
make one with.
-Blacktop
I have really learned a lot here. One month ago I had never even seen a DW in person. Now I have 5. (I'm the one who got a dozen yard chicken eggs with the purchase of my first DW) Now two 14-2s and 3 porkchops. On one of my 14-2s the shroud locating pin is missing. My question is: How much pressure/stress/shock is on the pin? Blacktop said, "I'll bet you could find something around the garage to make one with." What about using a nail that would fit? Do you think that would hold up while shooting? Seems to me if the barrel is tight there shouldn't be a problem. Would you use a nail in yours? Give me your thoughts, please.
BTW, Now that I have my stable of DWs I'm going to get my wife to teach me how to post pictures. Get ready for a pic overload.
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November 17, 2008
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I believe the pin only orients the barrel it doesn't hold anything, so I believe a toothpick would work. He He. But a 10 cent roll pin from the Hardware/auto parts store is what I would use. The advantage of the roll pin is that it will press/drive in the frame and stay tight. Since yours came out with the shroud I would clean the hole in the shroud well to be sure the pin stays with the frame. Just my 2 cents worth.
LB
P.S. Yes I think a nail will work if you choose that route.
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January 8, 2011
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Actually the pin broke off in the shroud and I can't get it out. The frame does not have the other half of the pin in it. Don't know where it went. I'm not going to use the BA that came with the gun. I bought another BA from Charlie C and will be using that one. I can't get the half of the pin out of the shroud, not that I need to. I was going to replace the 4" with the 2" from Charlie anyway. I'm a little worried what caused the original pin to sheer off. I glad the half in the frame is not still in the frame. I think I will try to get a roll pin but if I can't I'll just get a toothpick.
Thanks for your help. Hossman
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January 24, 2009
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When you fire the gun, due to the rifling in the barrel, the bullet twists during it's path down the barrel. That twist will try to unscrew (or screw in) a DW barrel that is not tightened down properly. If someone has left the barrel nut loose, I could imagine that there may be enough force when firing enough bullets, to shear off a roll pin.
I haven't seen it happen personally, but could see a circumstance where it could possibly happen.
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