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Monson 15-2 w/ silver trigger ?
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I'll put a link later if you want. Saw a 15-2 frame Monson made with a silver trigger & hammer? I thought that was a Palmer design. Is that a swap out or common ? confused

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Anybody can swap a Hammer & Trigger between, blued, stainless or nickel. I've seen those parts blued on a stainless or plated frame.  Same with a different shroud or cylinder finish than the frame.

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There seems to be no rhyme or reason to whether a trigger is blued or white. But as Stinger says, they are frangible, you can swap them out with ease. I think it is not just a Palmer thing. Monson guns too had the nickel looking triggers and less often, hammers. But the early nickel guns had blue ones. 

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Just seemed odd to me, I think, like Stinger said, was not original trigger & hammer.

I've not seen a Monson 15-2 like THIS before. 

The frame I just bought is not. cool

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I think it's possible that a former owner polished the trigger and part of the hammer (note the two tone hammer) to remove bluing in order to customize a bit. BUT with DW, who knows?

I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.

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pete said
Just seemed odd to me, I think, like Stinger said, was not original trigger & hammer.

I've not seen a Monson 15-2 like THIS before. 

The frame I just bought is not. cool

I'm not sure, I don't have the Ser# any more, but I think that's a gun I had until a couple of years ago. It came like that to me, but it was about 30 years old. It was a great shooter. I've seen a couple where the original owner swore it was bought with an SS hammer and trigger. 

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Some folks have to customize every gun they get in some way. With Dans it seems you are somewhat limited to hammers and triggers since you can already do grips, Barrels, and sights. I do believe Dans came with the white or " stainless"  triggers and hammers at times with no rhyme or reason. Even scarcer is the highly polished blue. 

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and don't forget gold....  in fact, there are a few, large frame, gold hammers available right now on Numrich.  You're welcome....

Technically, the glass is always full; half liquid, half air....

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Ole Dog said
Some folks have to customize every gun they get in some way. With Dans it seems you are somewhat limited to hammers and triggers since you can already do grips, Barrels, and sights. I do believe Dans came with the white or " stainless"  triggers and hammers at times with no rhyme or reason. Even scarcer is the highly polished blue. 

I've learned by now to not ever say "DW never ..."

I'm pretty sure that way back in DWF history, "some guy" might have said something about the myth of fixed barrel DW revolvers. Turned out, "some guy" was wrong!

I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.

George Carlin

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I find it very believable that if the plant was out of stock of stainless action parts, the factory would install blued components and just keep the production line moving.  Same thing the other way around, with stainless parts on a blued model.

My Nickel 14-N has a blued trigger & hammer.

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Guys, the hammer & trigger in question were originally blued, I'd bet my hat on it. Someone merely set to work on these with a polishing wheel for five minutes. The hammer still has a bit of it's bluing remaining.

These aren't stainless, they are merely now "in white", with (most of) the bluing polished off.

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Steve is absolutely right. In my prior part buying frenzy I have acquired several white hammers and triggers, especially from porkchops which where blue to begin with. 

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I have seen a few discussions over the years on shooting forums about guys that have polished off the bluing and waxed the white parts, sometimes entire guns

I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.

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Are the Palmer guns SS triggers then?  My 15-2 FB's hammer is black and trigger look like SS.

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I think the triggers and hammers are MIM. I suspect the metal used is an alloy with nickel in it. They are not nickel plated or chromium stainless as far as I know. Nothing I just said is warranted.. 

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Ole Dog said
I think the triggers and hammers are MIM. I suspect the metal used is an alloy with nickel in it. They are not nickel plated or chromium stainless as far as I know. Nothing I just said is warranted.. 

Back in the earlier days, DW reportedly used "sintered" parts, I think for hammers, triggers, etc. Sintering appears to be pressure molding with powdered metal, and that seems to be a lot like MIM?

I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.

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I Googled MIM and sintered steel. It seems that they are about the same process except MIM has a polymer added that is eliminated in the sintering stage. It is used to get better detail in the item. The pertinent fact is that different metals are added to the steel to get the properties desired. This is what I believe gives it the stainless look.  Whether it is from Chromium, nickel or other metal I know not. It is often given a bad rap when used for gun parts but has anyone ever had a hammer or trigger break on them? Filing removes the heat treated, hardened outside layer, making the part wear faster. Usually that is done by gunsmiths used to working on Smiths. Best not to let Smiths near your Dans. 

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Sintering is the process of compacting and forming a solid mass of material by heat and/or pressure without melting it to the point of liquefaction. The atoms in the materials diffuse across the boundaries of the particles, fusing the particles together and creating one solid piece.

Because the sintering temperature does not have to reach the melting point of the material, the manufacturing process is used with metals, ceramics, plastics, and other materials.

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Ole Dog said
I Googled MIM and sintered steel. It seems that they are about the same process except MIM has a polymer added that is eliminated in the sintering stage. It is used to get better detail in the item. The pertinent fact is that different metals are added to the steel to get the properties desired. This is what I believe gives it the stainless look.  Whether it is from Chromium, nickel or other metal I know not. It is often given a bad rap when used for gun parts but has anyone ever had a hammer or trigger break on them? Filing removes the heat treated, hardened outside layer, making the part wear faster. Usually that is done by gunsmiths used to working on Smiths. Best not to let Smiths near your Dans. 

My recollection on this is that DW got away from sintered parts for exactly this reason. People were filing and fitting sintered parts that were then failing

I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.

George Carlin

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Personally, I don't want MIM or Sintered parts in my guns.

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