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December 3, 2015
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I have been in contact with Eric at EWK in regards to getting a barrel for an internal nut 4 inch Pork Chop shroud. ( Yes, I know it is really not 4 inches ) I have also inquired about sight replacement. I am sure he is busy and I hate to keep sending him more questions to be answered. So, I am going to look further here.
A comment Eric made in a reply to me regarding sights makes me believe that any and all sights will in fact fit into any shroud. The difference is how they are held in place. Either pinned or with the muzzle end set screw. What I am saying is that the top of the shroud that the sight sits in is the same for all models in regards to it's shape and it's ability to accept the sight. Thus a 15-2 sight could be placed in a Pork chop shroud and marked through the hole used to pin the sight. Remove the sight and drill the appropriate size hole in the sight and then reinsert the sight and drive the pin home to secure it. If this is correct even the fiber optic sights available through EWK could be installed in a Porker or a pinned model 14 using the same mark, drill and pin procedure. Is this correct?
Second question involves the barrel length for an internal nut Pork chop shroud. Because of differences in early production revolvers Eric suggests using a caliper to measure the length of the shroud. Then use the caliper to measure the frame thickness where the shroud meets the frame. With these two measurements he can then calculate the length of the barrel needed. Somehow I thought there would be a more simple way to determine the barrel length. Seems as though there must have been a standard barrel length for the internal nut pork chop revolvers. It does not seem practical that each revolver had a barrel cut specifically for it.
I have read the thread on pork chop barrels posted by chargerfan. Looking a the photo's and tape measures I just cannot determine the difference in length for a Pork chop internal nut barrel. 1/2 inch or 1/4 inch or maybe even something different in smaller increments? Like 7/16 inch difference from a non pork barrel.
Can anyone who has an internal nut barrel made to be used with recessed nut pork chop shroud do some measurements for both the 2.5 inch and the 4 inch? Thread measurements on both the forcing cone end and on the crown end would also be useful. ( how far the threads extend from the end of the barrel ).
If this information is somewhere on the forum can someone please direct me two it.
I am pretty sure there is at least one more forum member needing this information as well.
Thanks,
DD
December 19, 2014
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Aren't you looking to use a DW porkchop shroud on a High Standard porkchop frame? Eric might just be wanting to make sure he gets the overall barrel length correct given this is not a DW frame. I just measured my two DW's, a 14 and a 15 (no-dash models of each) and the frame width where you mention is 0.60" (the differences show up in the third decimal position which I doubt is critical since one can set the barrel/cylinder gap as desired). When both of these guns are set with a cylinder gap of 0.006" the barrel crown is very nearly flush with the shroud crown which I suspect is desired (but not necessarily critical except in the case of a shorter barrel crown that doesn't protrude beyond the shroud crown, or is at least even with, might cause some issues).
Good to know about the front sights, I suspected such but haven't had a need to do anything with my barrels/sights so far. This new 3" shroud however might be different because its sight is noticeably shorter than my others. This will have to wait until I shoot it, it might just be as simple as using a 6-o'clock hold which I prefer anyhow for handguns - keeps target in full view for me.
December 3, 2015
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middlecalf said
Aren't you looking to use a DW porkchop shroud on a High Standard porkchop frame? Eric might just be wanting to make sure he gets the overall barrel length correct given this is not a DW frame. I just measured my two DW's, a 14 and a 15 (no-dash models of each) and the frame width where you mention is 0.60" (the differences show up in the third decimal position which I doubt is critical since one can set the barrel/cylinder gap as desired). When both of these guns are set with a cylinder gap of 0.006" the barrel crown is very nearly flush with the shroud crown which I suspect is desired (but not necessarily critical except in the case of a shorter barrel crown that doesn't protrude beyond the shroud crown, or is at least even with, might cause some issues).Good to know about the front sights, I suspected such but haven't had a need to do anything with my barrels/sights so far. This new 3" shroud however might be different because its sight is noticeably shorter than my others. This will have to wait until I shoot it, it might just be as simple as using a 6-o'clock hold which I prefer anyhow for handguns - keeps target in full view for me.
Thanks for your reply. First the easy part. I have received another e-mail from Eric and he has confirmed that the front sights are interchangeable between models with pinned sights and models with the muzzle end set screw. Only difference is how they are held in place.
On the shroud. Yes I want to put a Dan Wesson Pork chop shroud ( 3.? length ) on my High Standard Mark 3 frame. I have always thought that in regards to dimensions the DW and the HS frame would be the same. After all, they were made for HS by DW. So I thought if I have the dimensions of a DW barrel t would be the same as a HS barrel. The internal nut pork chop barrels seem to be between 1/4 and 1/2 inch shorter than a a barrel made for the standard shroud. I was thinking that the most fool proof way would to be to measure one. Not only in regards to total length but also in regards to how far the threads extend down the barrel from both the forcing cone end as well as the muzzle end.
December 3, 2015
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Anyone who can help with this measurement?
4 inch porker internal nut overall barrel length as well as the length of the threaded portion on both the forcing cone and muzzle ends?
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January 24, 2009
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I'll try to remember to get you some measurements when I get home tonight.
December 3, 2015
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Charger Fan said
I'll try to remember to get you some measurements when I get home tonight.
Very much appreciated. Just to be clear. The measurements needed are for an internal nut "pork chop" barrel. 1) total length end to end, 2) length of threads on the muzzle end of the barrel as well as, 3) length of threads on the forcing cone end of the barrel. These would be barrels used on High Standards and DW model 14-1 and 15-1.
Measurements needed for the nominal 4 inch barrel. Measurements for the 2.5 inch as well would be a bonus.
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February 25, 2014
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There is an easy way to do this. Put any length barrel that you have on the frame so that the barrel to cylinder gap is close to right. Put your 4" shroud on the gun and hold it tight against the frame. Measure from the forcing cone end of barrel to the end of the shroud. This will give you your over all length. I think you will find this to be 3.75". Usually, internal nut pork chop barrels are .25" shorter than -2 barrels. As far as the threads, normal length at both ends should work. Eric made one for me (I have a 14-1) and all I told him was overall length. He cut it off, added threads to the end that he cut, and re blued the modified barrel. I have not had a chance to shoot it yet, but it went together and looks great. I expect it will shoot just fine. As far as I know (and there are surly people here that know more) High standard frames should be the same. If your 4" shroud is 3.125" long, and your over all length comes to 3.75", then your frame is the same as a DW 14 or 15 porker. hope this helps.
LG
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January 24, 2009
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What LG said is spot on! But since I said I'd get some pics, here's the visual confirmation to what LG said. This barrel is from my 4" Sentinel MK-2.
Cylinder end...
Muzzle end...
December 3, 2015
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Trouble is I do not have barrels to install and measure. Application will be for High Standardsp
Presently at EPCOT awaiting the evening light show. WiFi here doesn't
Seem to like Pics. Will check when back at hotel.
Thanks guys D D
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February 25, 2014
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No problem. Just hold the shroud on the frame, and measure from the face of the cylinder to the end of the shroud. That will be your barrel length. As before, I am betting on 3.75" for the 4" barrel.
LG
December 19, 2014
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I sent info about my 14 to Eric and he says 3.75" for the 4-inch which he's making for me. Can't wait!
December 3, 2015
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Should be the same for mine then. However in his response to me he mentioned variances in older Dan Wessons and suggested I measure the frame width and some other measurements as well. Did you have to supply that sort of Info. I should contact him and tell him to make up two while he is tooled up for yours. I cannot see why my HS would be different.
December 3, 2015
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Charger Fan said
What LG said is spot on! But since I said I'd get some pics, here's the visual confirmation to what LG said. This barrel is from my 4" Sentinel MK-2.
Cylinder end...
Muzzle end...
Looks like 3 13/16 on the overall lenght. Guess 3 3/4 would be close enough. 1 inch of thread on the cylinder end and
And 5/8 inch on the muzzle end.
December 19, 2014
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All Eric asked for was the shroud length but to use a caliper for better measurement, which I did. And mine was 3.100" (3.099 to 3.104) from which he said "Yep, that is the 3-3/4" barrel tube you need!" Couple of months lead time to make (from early January).
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