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March 2, 2008
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I now have a second Model 15 (Monson) ser # 2042xx, and it has what I think must be an overtravel adjustment screw threaded into the frame behind the trigger. This is not present on my other (and I think older) Model 15. Anyone know if this would have been manufactured this way or is it a modification? There is no hex or slot in the exposed setscrew, so it must be adjusted from inside the frame, I have not yet been inside to look, however.
I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.
George Carlin
May 27, 2008
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My model 44 (Monson) has the same screw. Looks like it's threaded, but there's no way to turn it from the outside. I haven't been into mine, so I don't know what it does.
I would love to be able to remove the creep from my SA trigger. It is not heavy, but it has to move a good ways before dropping the hammer. I wish it had a little less travel.
- Russ
May 27, 2008
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Well... I got into my Model 44 today. That screw is definitely for overtravel. But don't mess with it unless you are willing to tear into your gun and possibly fight some frustration getting it back together.
What has to happen is the trigger assembly comes out (watch out the hand & transfer bar don't go flying), then also remove the hammer. Stick the hammer where it belongs in the trigger assembly and slide the hammer pivot pin in there (which you had to remove in order to remove the trigger assembly).
The hand & transfer bar don't need to be on there for this... just remember how they go on. They can be tricky to get back in there.
In that way, you can check sear engagement. I eyeballed the trigger in relationship to the overtravel screw a number of times and guesstimated about how much it should be moved. Then removed the hammer. Then compressed the trigger spring & pinned it with a bent paper clip.
Then removed the trigger pivot pin. Then removed paper clip. Then removed trigger & spring. And now, the overtravel adjustment screw is finally revealed! Mine takes an allen wrench, one of the ones growing off the barrel changing tool.
I carefully turned it just a smidge until it felt right, reassembled things and it works great.
I found the single-action (SA) creep in mine is somethign I'm not willing to remove, because it is simply the result of the trigger/sear geometry. The SA engagement notch is not deep, but due to its position in relation to the trigger pivot pin, it takes a fair bit of trigger movement to move the notched part enough to make the gun fire.
This is fine. I llubed things up with Otis dry lubricant, which was a weird experience because it comes out watery (thinner than water though) and dries pretty quickly. I think its presence has lightened up the trigger pull quite a bit. I'll have to do some testing to be sure I haven't got it too light.
Putting it back together was tricky but once I got the combination figured out, not too bad. I've certainly dealt with worse.
I checked the overtravel before & after full assembly, and I'm very happy with it.
- Russ
January 22, 2008
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I have complete assembly instructions for both small and large frame guns if ever someone gets to deep I can pull them out. My hope is to get them into a .PDF, but I have not done it yet. It is from a Shooting mag from 1989 or so. dont remember the particulars of the year or name of it right now. just FYI. It has all the bigger manufactures in it.
Dave
May 27, 2008
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460smdave said:
I have complete assembly instructions for both small and large frame guns if ever someone gets to deep I can pull them out. My hope is to get them into a .PDF, but I have not done it yet. It is from a Shooting mag from 1989 or so. dont remember the particulars of the year or name of it right now. just FYI. It has all the bigger manufactures in it.
Dave
That would be great.
I recently found a pdf of an owner's manual and grabbed it, but real good teardown instructions would be very nice to have. I do have a disassembly/assembly article on paper in one of my books for another DW, I think it's a 15 maybe?
- Russ
Dans Club
March 2, 2008
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Dave and Russ- Those would both be great things to have available on the Forum. Thanks for the info, I may give the overtravel adjustment a try.
Does anyone know when this started to appear on Model 15's? My first one, bought new in 1978 does not have this.
I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.
George Carlin
May 27, 2008
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I just looked at my disassembly book and it calls the gun it's showing a "Model 15-2." It has the overtravel screw, but I saw no mention of that screw in its teardown info.
It is The Gun Digest Book of Firearms Assembly/Disassembly, and it's probably still copyrighted.
The 15-2 it shows it very different from my model 44. The info I gave on adjusting my overtravel will probably not be helpful at all for Model 15s.
- Russ
May 17, 2008
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Sounds like an interesting article. I would certainly be interested in a copy. Please advise when you scan it for posting. I can be reached at eburden@scfederal.org. If you need someone to scan them an post them just email them to me or contact me for snail mail address and you could send a copy and I'll post them. ellis
GunsShooting said:
460smdave said:
I have complete assembly instructions for both small and large frame guns if ever someone gets to deep I can pull them out. My hope is to get them into a .PDF, but I have not done it yet. It is from a Shooting mag from 1989 or so. dont remember the particulars of the year or name of it right now. just FYI. It has all the bigger manufactures in it.
Dave
That would be great.
I recently found a pdf of an owner's manual and grabbed it, but real good teardown instructions would be very nice to have. I do have a disassembly/assembly article on paper in one of my books for another DW, I think it's a 15 maybe?
June 9, 2008
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ive shot ihmsa silhouette for over 28 years, and have used dan wessons big frame pistols for revolver class. take that overtravel screw out, turn it around, and then set it for overtravel. easy to do, and then you can adjust it from OUTSIDE!
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