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April 20, 2011
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My previous post got all messed up... I would like to know if ths PP is complete as far as paper work, Packing etc. The dates on the paper work are dated 1979. Your help and comments are appreciated.
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February 28, 2009
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That looks just about perfect. The only thing I find in error is the barrel tool. That tool is from a later period. I don't believe those were included until the Palmer production years. The original one is plastic with 3 (metal) allen wrenches molded in. The 3 allen wrenches have soft plastic covers. You can find them on both GB and eBay.
-Mike
EDIT -- Here's an item number for one listed on eBay: 140540242554.
Be sure to ask the seller what caliber it is, though it looks to be .357.
-m
April 20, 2011
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Thanks for the response zoom. I will look into the tool. I guess I am missing the cardboard shipper the case would have shipped in too. There are seven sheets of the rust inhibitor paper, I assume the barrels etc. were all wrapped in them. The revolver is 99.5% condition. I picked it up locally here in the Phoenix area. Of course was told that it had never been fired. But I always question it when I here that statement. I collect mostly Ruger old model single actions and have always been a stickler when it come to correct paper work and packing as far as collectables. Again tnx for the response.
Ron in Arizona
January 22, 2008
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I actually received the metal wrench with a Monson 722 that I purchased so I believe those were used during the Monson area as well.
I'll go back and look through some magazine articles to see if I can spot one prior to the Palmer era.
April 20, 2011
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Thanks jody, that will be appreciated.
January 22, 2008
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I was able to find a photo quicker than I expected. Here is a clip from a 1981 issue of Shooting Times 'Handguns' that shows the medal wrench.
That's a nice looking pac by the way!
April 20, 2011
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Great... tnx for the info guys. If DW is any thing like Ruger they did not let anythng go to waste. There was always some clean up parts, packing etc. that would cross over for a few years sometimes.
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November 17, 2008
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I have two steel barrel wrenches from the mid 80's. I had always assumed they came prior to the plastic ones. Yet another DW mystery.
LB
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November 14, 2009
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That is a beautiful pack, and a one of a kind find. It is unbelieveable what can be found, a beauty such as that complete kit in perfect condition. Very nice!!!
Happyness is a Hot DW and a pile of used brass!!! Rich
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October 17, 2008
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That's as complete as they get, I wouldn't be to concerned about the barrel tool, I have bought several Packs over the years and some had metal and some had plastic tools.
Congrats on a very fine purchase.
If you don't mind can you tell us what you paid for this gem.
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February 28, 2009
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Both of the Dan's I bought new in 1985 came with the plastic tools so I (apparently erroneously) assumed that the metal ones came later. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again.
I also bought my pistol pack cases new at that time. They did not come in a cardboard box. Of course, the dealer could have thrown them away. It would be interesting to know if there was a cardboard box for them that was intended for the end user, and had logo's and such.
-Mike
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May 2, 2009
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Awesome looking Pac--with either wrench it is a great find.
SHOOT
April 20, 2011
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I would just assume the DW factory shipped the brown case inside a protective shipper of some sort?? If not it seems likely the case would get banged up and scrapped in transport to the dealer. Now I imagine that container would be hard to come by.
January 22, 2008
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Seems like Jaggman picked up a pac that was in a brown box...
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January 24, 2009
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There's only two things that look as if they'd be non-original to me. The "L" shaped allen wrench is definitely not a DW item. And as said by others, the barrel wrench was likely purchased later, especially considering Jody's 1981 dated magazine shot.
The original wrench was almost surely one of the earlier styles. Like this, with the portion staked into the handle...
If you want one, there are currently three of these on GB...all by the same overpriced seller. I'd try to talk him down by at least half.
BTW, finding an original shipping box for a PP would be like Barry-O saying tomorrow "Ok, I'm giving the green light to drill for oil in Alaska".
Jaggman landed one & I bet another won't surface for another 5 years, if that. Jagg, you're my hero! 
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April 20, 2011
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Thanks Charger Fan. I should of thought and looked at the 1979 brochure that was in the kit. It shows the wrench that you posted. I did view a 1980 PP and it shows the wrench that I have. I wonder when the transition happend and if there might be some lap over? Again thanks for your information.
February 15, 2009
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I bought two new Palmer revolvers in the early 90's and both came with plastic tools. It seems odd they would go back and forth.
April 20, 2011
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I had some time to do reseach on the PP barrel tool. It appears the metal cylinder shaped tool came about in 79-80. Article from may 79 (Shooting Times) pictures it. Another article dated 1980 said the newer round all metal tool and the older Charger Fan mentioned tool above, were both available in 1980. So it appears there could easily been some overlap depending what was handy when the put the PP together. Just my 2 cents.
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January 24, 2009
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An overlap would make sense then, I bet you're right. I know there have been a couple other small items that we decided were probably an overlap issue too, although I can't remember this morning what those items were.
I probably need coffee.
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February 28, 2009
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Wow! That's some overlap. Both of the Dan's I purchased new in 1985 came with the plastic tool. Also, both of my Li'l Dan's which were made many years later in Palmer came with the plastic tools and the cut-outs in the foam were for the plastic tools. That makes the overlap about 10 years.
Another DW anomally.
-Mike
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