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November 30, 2010
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I purchased my Action Cup from the 1991 Bianchi Cup winner and understand that this gun was his backup. It has the Leupold Gilmore scope instead of the PDP2 since that was his new production piece. The serial number is 38S000501. Does anybody have a guess at a value?
Dans Club
March 2, 2008
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I'm no expert on these, I'll pass on value, but that is a very interesting DW you have there.
I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.
George Carlin
February 27, 2009
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Steve CT said:
I'm no expert on these, I'll pass on value, but that is a very interesting DW you have there.
Nor am I. That one is certainly a "special interest" gun and therefore kind of has it's own market.
Very nice BTW.
January 22, 2008
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It's gonna be one of those pistols that is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I paid $500 for my Action Cup (5 years ago), but is well used, didn't come with the OE scope and patch. It did come in the case and included the tool.
Another member here picked one up off Proxibid this past summer. IIRC he got it at a good price.
Given it's NIB condition, if I had to guess, were you to put it up on Gun Broker, I could see it fetching something close to $2000.
Is that one Monson or Palmer production?
-Wayne
November 30, 2010
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it is Palmer production and I am guessing about 1990 production. I think it was the final prototype for the actual 1st Action cup.
January 22, 2008
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Since it's a Palmer gun it would have been made between 1992 and 1995. I agree with Wayne I could see this one going close to $2000.
January 22, 2008
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it is Palmer production and I am guessing about 1990 production. I think it was the final prototype for the actual 1st Action cup.
My Action Cup is Monson Mfg. which should indicate that it is a little older. However the very odd part of the puzzle is the serial number of my AC is higher: 38S0012xx. The AC was based off of the Dan Wesson model 708. I don't think there were enough 708s around for Wesson Arms Inc to have started with a new set of serial numbers, when the plant was moved to Palmer. We have seen these types of Dan Wesson mysteries on more than one occasion. IIRC the serial number of my Monson model 40 is higher than the S/N of some of the Palmer model 40s floating around.
Unless we can get the BATF to allow us to delve into the Dan Wesson Inc. and Wesson Arms Inc. production records, we will probably never know.
-Wayne
January 22, 2008
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Maybe they had a bunch of frames that were serial numbered and didn't send them out in order? You're right we will probably never know the full story!
January 22, 2008
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Would it have been legal for Wesson Arms Co, Inc. to sell firearms that were Dan Wesson Arms, Inc. named and serial numbered? Was there any reason given for why the name change when the company was restarted in Palmer?
I'm thinking Wesson Arms Co, Inc. must have started with a new set of serial numbers. As we seen this happen when the company was moved to Norwich, and restarted back under the Dan Wesson name.
-Wayne
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January 24, 2009
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I think that would probably be the case. Once the Palmer frames were marked with "Palmer", I would think that they would have to start over & assign them Palmer serial numbers.
The only problem with that theory is that (without researching my notes) the late Monson guns had the caliber, letters, numbers marked in just as the Palmer guns did.
Example; 357S001001 (edited from "SD")
So I wonder if Palmer just picked up where Monson left off, or if they started at zero again? If so, there would be some duplicate numbers out there, with the only difference being the plant location. With your AC having a higer s/n than DonCannon's gun, it seems that they may have indeed started at zero.
November 30, 2010
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So now I am really confused. The frame is definatley stamped Palmer. the serial number is definately 38s000050x. I have seen other examples stamped 357sxxxxxxx. Whats the diference? I know mine means 38 special only and will not chamber 357 magnum. Were the PPC models 357? I am also positive that the previous owner told me that this gun was built for him specifically for the 1991 Bianchi Cup as a backup to his other AC.
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January 24, 2009
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Sorry Don, I screwed up & combined two different s/n styles from different DW years.
You are correct, the Palmer guns should be marked just the way yours is.
I apologize for the confuson, I'll go back & edit that.
There were indeed .357 PPC & AC guns made, here's a couple examples. Of course there's no idea as to how many were made, though.
BTW, these both sold on an auction site recently for the rediculously low price of $700-750, IIRC. The buyer flipped them.
November 30, 2010
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Dang; don't really want to hear that. Curious though on the AC. It has a full spur hammer and the frame appears to sat 357sxxxxx... could this be a magnum frame with an AC barrel and shroud....hence a clone?
November 30, 2010
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the more I think about it the more i woinder. Wasn't the AC a single action only gun? therefore no spur.
Dans Club
March 2, 2008
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No spur would make it DA only.
I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman "Were is the Self Help Section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.
George Carlin
November 30, 2010
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in reference to the above pictures. I think the AC never had a spur.
January 22, 2008
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I have read that a person could order the AC for their specific needs. This would be why we see some of them with hammer spurs SA/DA and .357 chambers.
For the 'Cup competitions, only .38 was allowed - not sure if there was a DAO requirement.
To my knowledge all of the PPC models are .357.
-Wayne
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Dans Club
March 27, 2009
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Like to find one of each of these to add to collection! Great info thaks everyone!
September 1, 2010
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I don't know about the value, but it is a good looking piece.
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January 24, 2009
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DonCannon said:
could this be a magnum frame with an AC barrel and shroud....hence a clone?
Dan Wesson guns weren't made in a Magnum & non-Magnum frame. DW kept things simple in that regard, so all the small frames were "Magnum" frames...even the .22's.
BTW, those guns were flipped on GB for $2K if I remember correctly. I didn't pay attention to whether they sold at that price though, but $2K would be more inline with what others have gone for. Considering the overall rarity, $1500 would probably be an easy sale.
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