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January 17, 2015
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I own a older 715 and just can't shoot for crap with it. Lets say I just shoot about 10 yards and aim center target but I'm always shooting high like 6"-8" and I even bore sighted the gun. So the question is where do you guys hold your front sight on a target?
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Hi Darren. I can understand your frustration. Let's start with a couple of things and if you've already done them I apologize.
1. You said it's a 715, so it has an adjustable rear sight? Is it loose or wobbly?
2. Does the front blade have a colored insert? Is the front blade tight?
3. Is the barrel assembly assembly snug?
4. Are you shooting offhand or from a rest?
5. Have you tried start at a shorter range like 5 yards.
6. are you using factory loads? .38 or .357? Are you using the same ammo every time?
Those are sort of all the things I go through with a new (to me) gun. I try to make sure everything is adjusted properly. Then remove as many variables as possible. If I'm having problems with one, I start short and shoot from a rest.
Can you describe your sight picture when you shoot?
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December 4, 2011
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I use a six o'clock hold with all my revolvers and once adjusted they allow me to shoot very accurately. Im better with my wheel guns than almost any other guns I own.
I'll second everything Bruce said and add that in addition to a tight barrel, make sure the gap is set properly to betwee .004-.006". Can you post a few pics of your gun?
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Additionally... a repeatable grip purchase is important both location and pressure (squeeze).
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January 17, 2015
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brucertx said
Hi Darren. I can understand your frustration. Let's start with a couple of things and if you've already done them I apologize.
1. You said it's a 715, so it has an adjustable rear sight? Is it loose or wobbly?
2. Does the front blade have a colored insert? Is the front blade tight?
3. Is the barrel assembly assembly snug?
4. Are you shooting offhand or from a rest?
5. Have you tried start at a shorter range like 5 yards.
6. are you using factory loads? .38 or .357? Are you using the same ammo every time?
Those are sort of all the things I go through with a new (to me) gun. I try to make sure everything is adjusted properly. Then remove as many variables as possible. If I'm having problems with one, I start short and shoot from a rest.
Can you describe your sight picture when you shoot?
Everything is snug on the gun although the rear sight the main screw on top that adjusts the height kinda sits high not flush to the top of the sight. Don't know if that's normal. My sight picture I try and keep the front sight level with rear and keep the front sight just below dead center of target which I thought was a 6 o'clock. Am I wrong on the 6 o'clock hold? And I have shot from a bench and offhand with the same results which end up high. The front sight is the EWK fiber optic and that leads to another question. I see some photos on here and some guys have that sight on backwards or what appears backwards to me why is that?
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I use a six o'clock hold with all my revolvers and once adjusted they allow me to shoot very accurately. Im better with my wheel guns than almost any other guns I own.I'll second everything Bruce said and add that in addition to a tight barrel, make sure the gap is set properly to betwee .004-.006". Can you post a few pics of your gun?
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Since you say you are shooting high, I'm thinking the front sights may be low causing you to tilt the muzzle up to align the blade with the rear notch.
BTW your technique seems fine, I'm going with a sight issue.
I have a 1911 with a front fiber optic sight and I'm always high with it for the same reason. I need to get a sight press to remove that one, but you can replace yours with an allen wrench.
Is that front sight seated all the way? I would suggest maybe try swapping in a different front sight blade, one that is taller like the stock ramp blades.
Can you see the rear sight move up and down when you turn the elevation screw? Also, does it stay put when you are shooting?
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January 17, 2015
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SCORPIO said
Since you say you are shooting high, I'm thinking the front sights may be low causing you to tilt the muzzle up to align the blade with the rear notch.
BTW your technique seems fine, I'm going with a sight issue.I have a 1911 with a front fiber optic sight and I'm always high with it for the same reason. I need to get a sight press to remove that one, but you can replace yours with an allen wrench.
Is that front sight seated all the way? I would suggest maybe try swapping in a different front sight blade, one that is taller like the stock ramp blades.
Can you see the rear sight move up and down when you turn the elevation screw? Also, does it stay put when you are shooting?
I agree about a taller front sight that was my next purchase. And I think I know what the problem might be is I purchased the newer 6" barrel and Shroud from CZ/Dan Wesson few months ago. If you will notice in the pictures the newer shrouds are slightly smaller and you can see that where the frame and shroud meet. I'm thinking that might be the problem cause I've lost height in my front sight.
December 19, 2015
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i'll act dumb here and ask again about adjusting that back sight. Does it adjust and is it all the way down and tight?
OP said "the rear sight the main screw on top that adjusts the height kinda sits high not flush to the top of the sight." My DW main screw does sit high as well. My rear sight is tight, but the blade is kind of floppy, but does not affect accuracy.
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What size group are you getting at 6"- 8" high?
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Prescut said
i'll act dumb here and ask again about adjusting that back sight. Does it adjust and is it all the way down and tight?OP said "the rear sight the main screw on top that adjusts the height kinda sits high not flush to the top of the sight." My DW main screw does sit high as well. My rear sight is tight, but the blade is kind of floppy, but does not affect accuracy.
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What size group are you getting at 6"- 8" high?
Rear sight seems to work fine and moves accordingly when adjusted. But the screw never sat flush so I don't know if thats normal or not cause I bought this gun used a year ago. Other then that the last time I shot it which was last weekend I put 10 rds thru it and had hand sized groups but high. I lost patients with it and quit wasting rounds until I can get it figured out. And thats why I'm gonna try a taller front sight like Scorpio suggested.
February 21, 2011
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You say you successfully bore sighted. That indicates to me the problem many be with the grip & even trigger finger positioning.
How & where exactly you grasp & even how you pull the trigger can move the POI.
If it sights & fires to POA with someone else firing & bore sights that's where I'd look for the issue.
http://www.misgunception.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Target1.jpg
This, designed for a right handed shooter may help, there's a different one for left hand shooters.
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Wow, a ton of great information. The only thing I can add, is pick one thing to work on at a time until you either fix the problem or eliminate that variable as the cause. It can be tedious, but it's the only way I can troubleshoot a problem.
That looks like an EWK front sight, maybe try and get your hands on a factory edition if you suspect that could be the issue?
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February 21, 2011
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I have an EWK on my 6" 15-2. The rear sight is a little higher than it was with the original, but its still center hold shoot to poa.
If it bore sighted it should shoot to POA more or less.
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Try shooting at 25 or more yards. 357 can shoot high at short distances in fixed sight guns.
May 26, 2015
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The target diagram Mister Callan posted made me laugh! Now I know why I shoot high...I did a few dry fire exercises (With some tipton snap caps and all safety measures in place of course) and noticed my wrist tilts up slightly when I pull that trigger. Time to kick that bad habit...
You guys have been the best resource for all these things.
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I never thought to ask. Are you shooting SA or DA. I suspect DA. Much more trigger in DA pull then the super light and fast single action of a Dan. One handed or two?
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I will add that I have several Dans that had to have taller patridge front sights to bring the point of aim in line to adjust for a particular revolver. This may be one of those revolvers needing taller front blades. While I think the fiber fronts look cool, I have yet to have a Dan shoot where I want it while wearing one.
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